Sabre-TLA Posted December 4, 2010 Posted December 4, 2010 (edited) Quick Link Reference: We have a blog: http://mapleflagmissions.blogspot.ca/ === Basic Flight Training Qualification === Now updated for the DCS World OpenBeta Versions: OpenBeta Basic Flight Training Qualification- 12 mission Campaign covering qualifications for Basic Aircraft Qualification (BAQ). Normal DCS World Versions: Basic Flight Training Qualification - 12 mission Campaign covering qualifications for Basic Aircraft Qualification (BAQ). Basic Flight Training Qualification Practice Mission Package - Provides 12 Single Player missions that mimic the Campaign qualification missions and feature additional training dialogue and runway or in-air starts. Basic Flight Training Qualification Documentation - Provides Mission Data Cards, Maps and Diagrams for all 12 missions of the campaign. Basic Flight Training Qualification Documentation 2 - Provides User Bars, Badges and Certificates for the Campaign. === Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification === Now updated for the DCS World OpenBeta Versions: OpenBeta Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification - 10 mission Campaign covering qualifications for Basic Mission Capable (BMC). Note both Part A and Part B are needed. Part B can be found here. Normal DCS World Versions: Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification - 10 mission Campaign covering qualifications for Basic Mission Capable (BMC). Note both Part A and Part B are needed. Part B can be found here. Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Practice Mission Package - Provides 10 Single Player missions that mimic the Campaign qualification missions and feature additional training dialogue and in-air starts. Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Documentation - Provides Mission Data Cards, Maps and Diagrams for all 10 missions of the campaign. Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Documentation 2 - Provides User Bars, Badges and Certificates for the Campaign. === Tactical Training Qualification === Now updated for the DCS World OpenBeta Versions: OpenBeta Tactical Training Qualification - 15 mission Campaign covering qualifications for Combat Mission Ready (CMR). Note both Part A and Part B are needed. Part B can be found here. Normal DCS World Versions: Tactical Training Qualification - 15 mission Campaign covering qualifications for Combat Mission Ready (CMR). Note both Part A and Part B are needed. Part B can be found here. Tactical Training Qualification Documentation - Provides Mission Data Cards, Maps and Diagrams for all 15 missions of the campaign. Tactical Training Qualification Documentation 2 - Provides User Bars, Badges and Certificates for the Campaign. Backstory: I've searched the forums but couldn't find a reference to this topic so starting a new thread. The training in DCS-A10C is excellent but what I would like to have is a Flight Qualification Campaign that mimics the training and flight quals of what an actual A10 pilot would go through. Each mission would cover a specific training element and to pass you need to succeed with each mission. At the end of the campaign you would be considered qualified to fly the A-10C in combat. I realize this is a game and you can just jump right into a combat mission but given the realism in this sim I would like to pass a formal qualification test before moving onto combat missions. I've done the research and came up with this model: The A-10C Pilot Qualification Course has the following phases Phase 1: Academic Classes and Pre-Flight Training Phase 2: Basic Flight Training Qualification Phase 3: Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Phase 4: Tactical Training Qualification Phase 1 gives you Initial Qualification Training (IQT) and is a pre-requisite for Phase 2. Hopefully you have completed Phase 1 and are familiar with the A-10C aircraft systems and instruments. If not, please read the A-10C Flight Manual before continuing. Phase 2 gives you Basic Aircraft Qualification (BAQ). It is a pre-requisite for Phase 3. It is recommended that you complete this phase before proceeding to Phase 3. Phase 3 makes you Basic Mission Capable (BMC). It is a pre-requisite for Phase 4. Phase 4 makes you Combat Mission Ready (CMR). This is necessary before proceeding on any real combat missions. Phase 2 - Basic Flight Training Qualification contains: Contact Stage (VFR): 1. Perform Ground Handling 2. Perform Take-Off and EFATO 3. Fly Traffic Pattern 4. Perform Approach and Landing 5. Perform Basic Maneuvers 6. Perform Advanced Handling 7. Perform Aerobatics 8. Respond to Emergencies Instrument / Navigation Stage (IFR): 9. Instrument Approach (Landing) 10. Instrument Flight Plan Navigation Formation Stage: 11. Fly 2 Ship as Wingman Low-Level Stage 12. Fly Low-Level Flight Plan Basic Flight Training Qualification Practice Mission Package is available which provides 12 Single Player missions that feature additional training dialogue and runway or in-air starts. Basic Flight Training Qualification Documentation is available which includes Mission Data Cards, Maps and Diagrams for all 12 missions of the campaign. Basic Flight Training Qualification Documentation 2 - Provides User Bars, Badges and Certificates for the Campaign. Phase 3 - Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification contains: Advanced Flight Training Stage AFT01 - Air to Air Refueling Day AFT02 - Air to Air Refueling Night AFT03 - Countermeasures and Threat Avoidance AFT04 - Target Area Ingress Preparation AFT05 - Illumination Flare Employment Air to Air Combat Stage: AAT06 - AA Gun and Missile Employment Surface Attack Stage: AAT07 - Gun & Rocket Employment AAT08 - Unguided Bomb Employment AAT09 - Guided Bomb Employment AAT10 - Missile Employment Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Practice Mission Package - Provides 10 Single Player missions that mimic the Campaign qualification missions and feature additional training dialogue and in-air starts. Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Documentation is available and includes Mission Data Cards, Maps, Loadout Diagrams and Target images for all 10 missions of the campaign. Advanced Aircraft Training Qualification Documentation 2 - Provides User Bars, Badges and Certificates for the Campaign. Phase 4: Tactical Training Qualification contains: Close Air Support Tactical Stage: TAC11 - FAC / JTAC Coordination TAC12 - Stationary and Moving Target Tasking TAC13 - Danger Close Tasking TAC14 - SEAD Tasking Battlefield Air Interdiction Tactical Stage: TAC15 - Deep Interdiction Tasking Day TAC16 - Deep Interdiction Tasking Night TAC17 - Deep Interdiction Tasking Special Forces Coordination Airborne Forward Air Controller (AFAC) Tactical Stage: TAC18 - SADL Datalink Engagement TAC19 - CAS Mission Management Day TAC20 - CAS Mission Management Night TAC21 - BAI Mission Management Day TAC22 - BAI Mission Management Night Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) Tactical Stage: TAC23 - CSAR Management Day TAC24 - CSAR Management Night Tactical Summary Stage: TAC25 - Simulated Combat Mission Tactical Training Qualification Documentation is available and includes Mission Data Cards, Maps, Loadout Diagrams and Target images for all 15 missions of the campaign. Tactical Training Qualification Documentation 2 - Provides User Bars, Badges and Certificates for the Campaign. We have a blog: http://mapleflagmissions.blogspot.ca/ Edited April 9, 2015 by Sabre-TLA Update 3 MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Grimes Posted December 4, 2010 Posted December 4, 2010 should be possible with the built in training missions and campaign system. You'd need to add mission goals into the mix on each mission and viola. The only downside is that its just the training missions done in order. Obviously it would be best to create a series of relevant missions that test a few specific aspects of the aircraft and aren't as much step by step tutorials. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
Sabre-TLA Posted December 5, 2010 Author Posted December 5, 2010 Agreed. I'd set them up so you can't proceed to the next mission until you passed the current qualification. I don't think they would be training missions as much as checkrides proving that you have learned the training. Similar to this from the SUPT Phase 2: http://www.baseops.net/militarypilot/primary_flying.html MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Zed Posted December 5, 2010 Posted December 5, 2010 what a great Idea:thumbup: can't wait....:pilotfly:
MTFDarkEagle Posted December 5, 2010 Posted December 5, 2010 Great idea!! Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
GorT Posted December 5, 2010 Posted December 5, 2010 Agreed it would be a great idea!! Alot of work involved in creating it im sure. I for one would need it to get and keep up to speed. Don't ask me for advice on these Two Subjects: 1.. How to Take Off in the Dora! 2.. How to Land the Dora! UNLESS YOU WANT TO DIE!
sweinhart3 Posted December 5, 2010 Posted December 5, 2010 I would like to see some tactics training missions as well. I havent seen anything that teaches you how to properly enter into a hot zone without getting yourself in trouble or how to dogfight. I realize the A-10 isnt a fighter aircraft but there will be times when evasion from a hostile aircraft will be nessesary and engagement of enemy aircraft might be your only option. The AA training mission doesnt show much at all. Something showing the proper techniques for missle evasion would be a plus too. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
Geskes Posted December 5, 2010 Posted December 5, 2010 (edited) It is very hard to make something like you suggest sweinhart. Sure you can make a practice scenario but the question is if it will teach you how to do it in an entirely different situation. I don't think so. As for how to get into a hotzone without getting in trouble its quite straightforward. Make sure you stay out of engagement evelope of ground threats and you will be fine. Of course there is more to it but reading theory is more suitable for that then training mission because a training mission will only show you one example and doesnt learn you how to adapt your tactics to an entirely different threat mix on the ground. It is too specific for the partical situation. Same kind of goes for missile evasion, if you know the theory, you can apply it to any situation. There are military studies on missile evasion publically available if you want to delve into it more deeply. Check for example this one on evading A-A heaters: http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA053267&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf or this more general thesis: http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12609490/index.pdf or check this google scholar search link and see how many there are: http://scholar.google.nl/scholar?q=surface+to+air+missile+evasion&hl=nl&btnG=Zoeken&lr= If this is bit too much, I suggest just searching this forum, there must be multiple threads on that subject. (I guess) Dogfighting is not suitable for A-10 so if there are airborne threats you need back-up or get out of the area. If it comes down to engaging enemy aircraft being the only option something has gone terrible wrong and you might as well just eject to safe you the stress of trying to evade your attackers. Edited December 5, 2010 by Geskes I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
Sabre-TLA Posted December 6, 2010 Author Posted December 6, 2010 I agree with Geskes that in most encounters with fighters the A-10 doesn't have much of a chance. However in one unforgettable FC2 multiplayer experience a Mig 29 tried to shoot me down with a head on guns pass. He took out my hud and scored some hits to my fuel tank but I was able to turn into him and kill him with an AIM 9. I just put him in my hud and when I got the seeker tone I launched. He couldn't evad and was likely surprised as heck when my missile got him. I doubt I could ever do that again in a similar encounter but what a rush to kill the bad guy when he thought he had me dead to rights. I'll never forget it. :-) It's experiences like that that keep me in this hobby and loving these games. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Geskes Posted December 6, 2010 Posted December 6, 2010 Thats a good story! That Mig-29 must have had balls to fly head-on pass against an A-10. I wonder if the guy passed his BFM course :P I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
swift Posted December 6, 2010 Posted December 6, 2010 What a great project! Hey Geskes you did something similar with your Interactive traffic pattern trainer. Maybe you guys could share the work and team up to do the most innovative campaign ever made for DCS :thumbup:
Geskes Posted December 6, 2010 Posted December 6, 2010 Has been arranged ;) 1 I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
swift Posted December 6, 2010 Posted December 6, 2010 Has been arranged ;) :worthy::clap_2::clap: Let me know if I could be some help :) 1
Geskes Posted December 7, 2010 Posted December 7, 2010 It would be nice if someone has a link to some footage of aviation checkrides. I can find some but of course you have to pay to see anything more then just an intro. Also links to detailed accurate descriptions of execution of aerobatics and bfm are highly welcome. Maybe this thread should be moved to User missions and campaigns subforum? This one is meant for the stock campaigns/missions. I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
mtuckner Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 Those thesis papers have nothing to do with evading missiles in the air. It's about mathematical theory and development of computerized defense systems. It's useless to a pilot. Thanks for posting them in an authoritative manner, gave me a decent giggle.
Geskes Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 Its not useless to a pilot because if you know how the systems function, you know how you can fool them. The thesis about heaters in fact does contain concrete methods for pilots and the purpose of the thesis was to find a good strategy for pilots. Glad it brought a giggle on your face, I'm all up for making people laugh. 1 I7920/12GBDDR3/ASUS P6T DELUXE V2/MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G /WIN 10 Ultimate/TM HOTAS WARTHOG
BKLronin Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 Really good idea! I will wait untl this is ready before I seriously start playing A10C. Maybe the sim is already final then. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Sabre-TLA Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 Sorry for the delay in posting an update. My brother in law passed away last week and we had to fly to Winnipeg for the funeral. I'm still tweaking the first mission (Ground Handling) but here is the current draft layout of the Training Qualification Course: The A-10C Pilot Qualification Course has the following phases: Phase 1: Academic Classes and Pre-Flight Training Phase 2: Basic Flight Training Campaign Phase 3: Advanced Aircraft Training Fighter / Bomber Track Campaign Hopefully you have completed Phase 1 and are familiar with the A-10C aircraft systems and instruments. If not, please read the DCS A-10C Flight Manual before continuing. The goal of the A-10C Pilot Qualification Course is to prepare cadets for combat operations flying the A-10C in a number of mission roles. Commanders require pilots with the skills and training necessary to be successful on the battlefield. Each Phase of training will contain individual Performance Objectives (POs) that must be met to pass the course. Performance Checks (PCs) will be used to determine if you have met the requirements of the PO. Failure of any 2 PCs or any supplemental PC attempt will constitute course failure. Following each flight (known as a Check Ride) your IP will rate you using one of the following proficiency levels: Level 1 – Cadet was not capable of completing the task. Cadet required verbal or physical assistance to avoid making major errors. Further instruction is required. Level 2 – Cadet completed the task but required verbal or physical assistance to avoid making major errors. Further practice is required. Level 3 – Cadet completed the task but with minor errors. Cadet required minimal assistance to analyze or correct errors. Level 4 – Cadet completed the task without assistance making only minor errors. Cadet was able to analyze and correct errors. Level 5 – Cadet completed the task without assistance and without errors. Basic Flight Training has the following objectives: Contact Stage (VFR): Perform Ground Handling Perform Take-Off and EFATO Fly Traffic Pattern Perform Approach and Landing Perform Basic Maneuvers Perform Advanced Handling Perform Aerobatics Respond to Emergencies Instrument / Navigation Stage (IFR): Instrument Approach (Landing) Instrument Flight Plan Navigation Formation Stage: Fly 2 Ship as Wingman Fly 2 Ship as Lead Tactical Formations Extended Trail Low-Level Stage: Fly Low-Level Flight Plan If you want to help with some of the missions please send me a PM to initiate contact. Comments and feedback are welcome! 1 MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Sabre-TLA Posted December 23, 2010 Author Posted December 23, 2010 Here is the layout for Phase 3: Advanced Aircraft Training Fighter / Bomber Track Campaign: Advanced Aircraft Training Fighter / Bomber Track has the following objectives: Advanced Flight Training Stage: AAT1 - Air to Air Refueling Day AAT2- Air to Air Refueling Night AAT3 - Countermeasures and Threat Avoidance AAT4 - Target Area Ingress Preparation AAT5 - Illumination Flare Employment Air to Air Combat Stage: AAT6 - Gun Employment AAT7 - Missile Employment Surface Attack Stage: AAT8 - Gun Employment Day AAT9 - Gun Employment Night AAT10 - Unguided Bomb Employment Day AAT11 - Unguided Bomb Employment Night AAT12 - Laser Guided Bomb Employment AAT13 - IAM and JDAM Bomb Employment AAT14 - Rocket Employment AAT15 - Missile Employment Close Air Support Tactical Stage: TAC16 - FAC / JTAC Coordination TAC17 - Stationary and Moving Target Tasking TAC18 - Danger Close Tasking TAC19 - SEAD Tasking Battlefield Air Interdiction Tactical Stage: TAC20 - Deep Interdiction Tasking Day TAC21 - Deep Interdiction Tasking Night TAC22 - Deep Interdiction Tasking Special Forces Coordination TAC23 - Rear Echelon Interdiction Day TAC24 - Rear Echelon Interdiction Night Airborne Forward Air Controller (AFAC) Tactical Stage: TAC25 - CAS Mission Management Day TAC26 - CAS Mission Management Night TAC27 - BAI Mission Management Day TAC28 - BAI Mission Management Night TAC29 - SADL Datalink Engagement Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) Tactical Stage: TAC30 - CSAR Management Day TAC31 - CSAR Management Night Tactical Summary Stage: TAC32 - Simulated Combat Mission Again, if you want to contribute please pm me. Thanks. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
VMFA117_Poko Posted December 23, 2010 Posted December 23, 2010 No need to be sorry Sabre. Family is far more important than life hobby. Take my condolences. Good to know the project is still at development phase. Draft looks impressive.
Fakaro Posted December 26, 2010 Posted December 26, 2010 What an absolutely brilliant idea for a campaign! I can't wait to see how this develops/unfolds. I'd love to help out, but man I'm SO overwhelmed by this sim still. I'm just now to the point where I can get the aircraft started, configured, and cleared through takeoff without the manual or prompting.
Airsniper1 Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 Happy Holidays! Would love to have this qual-mission!: Where can It be DLed from? Pleae advise and thanks.
Sabre-TLA Posted December 30, 2010 Author Posted December 30, 2010 It's still being developed but we will post to the User Files section here: http://files.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/ 1 MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
FlandersRevenge Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Now Sabre, is is possible to break each phase into separate "Chapters" ? That way those who are competent in landing, etc or the more mundane things can go straight to the more challenging items? Such as for example, if I want to practice Air to Air refueling, I don't want to land and takeoff to get there Dell Studio XPS 1650 Intel i7 1.60 ghz 6gb ram 300mb HD ATI Mobility Radeon 4670
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