LOMAC vs DCS: A10C

[EtherealN]

See the differences?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure that if the ones from DCS wasn't marked as such you'd not be able to do that. Right?:music_whistling:

Edited February 22, 2011 by EtherealN

[Jinja]

Ethereal, you be too good in trying to engage in rational discussion!

This is one argument that logic seems to be having no impact on.

[Boberro]

Ethereal I'd have already given up talking to him :P

[EtherealN]

I'm just a hopeless romantic. :P

[aaron886]

if you do look at hawx 2 gameplay it does look 100x better imho.....now its flying area might not be that big or what not but it does at least look newer.

 

Well... totter on off back to HAWX then. :ranting:

 

Seems it fits you well. Maybe you can call your mother and she'll bring you a juice box and some animal crackers to go with it!

[Trinitry]

I can't understand that people are complaining about the price of this masterpeace of simulation. 59$ is a joke compared to the work which has flown obviously into DCS Warthog.

 

For me it doesn't matter if I get good graphics in an evolutionary way, based on an old engine or done from scratch, the result matters. The graphics in A10 is a really big step forward from Blackshark and Blackshark was a big step forward from Flaming Cliffs. If you don't belive in screenshots, which partly are looking photorealistic, take a look into youtube-viedeos and tell me you see no progress.

 

Everywhere you can see comparisons which are showing the multicore-cababilitys of different games. Most of this games are taking advantage of 2 cores if at all. Many games have support for 4 cores but take a look how they scale from 2 to 4 cores. To argue the gaming-industry makes use of multicore-machines since years is not true at all. They are starting slowly to do it and for most games the multithreading is very inefficient.

 

I'm so happy that there is a developer going the route of hardcore-sims todays, where most companys don't see any market in this.

[shagrat]

Oh my god!

 

i pay good money for my system.

 

i have a Phenom II x4 955BE OC to 3.6ghz

dual 5870`s in crossfire

4gig ram

ssd

windows 7 64bit

 

...

 

I WANT updated GAME ENGINE

 

hmm, so you will have to buy more RAM to meet the recommendation, 'cause the gfx are so frickin' awesome they really need more than 2GB to cache all that stuff.

 

...as Ethereal pointed out correctly: most DX11 / DX10 Games claim to be Multi-threaded blabla for marketing reasons. Even if they use multi-threading, it most often utilizes no more then 2 cores, so you have 50% of your CPU paid for and dangling around in idle :megalol:

 

Sorry man, you should have invested in a TM Warthog, some MFDs, rudder pedals etc.

 

...and finally: $60 is definitely a bargain! Stone age FSX cost $60 at the moment in stores and is supporting DX10 (at least a little), perhaps an alternative :doh:

 

You may take a look on the hundreds of ressources on the web showing footage from beta to release and when you know what you talk about come back to a discussion thats worth it:pilotfly:

[Rusty_M]

@TDBONE1 It's clear this isn't for you. Each to their own and all that. If you haven't bought it then ED owe you nothing. If you have, they owe you nothing more than you've bought. From what I can see, many of your comments are misguided. People here don't seem easily enough angered for continued trolling to have much of an effect.

 

I hope you find the sim that fits all of your requirements. I'll carry on enjoying the ones I have.

[TDBONE1]

switch to hud only view then tell me DCS: A10C looks 2x better then lockon.

 

it looks the same to me if you are in hud only.

 

i am trying to see what you are seeing but i keep on seeing same game engine from lockon to DCS: A10C

 

 

please show me a video of both from hud only comparing the graphics.

 

 

i am trying to see what you see but im just not seeing it.

 

 

sure would be nice if there was a demo.

[GGTharos]

Yeah, from 'HUD Only View', you'll definitely miss the cockpit and avionics, but hey, if you don't need this then seriously ... HAWX is for you. You're not looking for a hard core high-fidelity flight sim. Not a derision, just fact.

[Kuky]

LockOn and DCS do not look the same at all... terrain colours are same, I can agree with that but everything else does not... lockOn does not have HDR which gives the environment a nice and realsitic feel, especially when looking into the sun... the buildings have much longer range and density and better framerate... lots of objects have been updated... clouds look different also... the water looks better also... what else is there to compare? Oh wait... the runways/taxiways in new airbases are completely different and 10x better... Therefore TDBONE... you are not correct at all to say LockOn and DCS A-10C look the same.

Edited February 23, 2011 by Kuky

[TDBONE1]

LockOn and DCS do not look the same at all... terrain colours are same, I can agree with that but everything else does not... lockOn does not have HDR which gives the environment a nice and realsitic feel, especially when looking into the sun... the buildings have much longer range and density and better framerate... lots of objects have been updated... clouds look different also... the water looks better also... what else is there to compare? Oh wait... the runways/taxiways in new airbases are completely different and 10x better... Therefore TDBONE... you are not correct at all to say LockOn and DCS A-10C look the same.

 

i believe i asked "please show me a video" right above this post.

 

come on if you are going to quote me please get it right.

 

i do appreciate you spending the time telling me things to look for while comparing lockon to A10C by DCS:

 

i remember an app that let me adjust the tree density for lockon and also the range i think.

 

i forget the name of the app...

 

one sec i googling.

"LOMAN" and "LOCFG"

those utilities let you adjust all kinds of things.

 

are you saying that DCS: A10C has more tree density and greater draw distance then those utilites let you have with lockon?

 

tell me more now that you know i know about loman and locfg.

 

i know hdr was added but what about the other things you mentioned.

thanks

[EtherealN]

i believe i asked "please show me a video" right above this post.

 

No, you wanted a side-by-side one. No simple youtube search will score you that.

 

However, if you pay me for the time it takes to set up, record, encode, and upload, I can do that. My hourly rate is normally US$54.28 (converted from my currency), but since this is a pretty special gig I can lower that to $20. :)

 

Just face it - you have a premade opinion based on a faulty understanding of the technology involved, and you won't change your mind. So as many have said: you want eye candy? Go play HAWX.

 

Oh, and please respond to my post earlier. Specifically the ME2 question. Are they ripping off their customers? They have literally re-used an engine with no modification at all. What about Bad Company? They just made a few tweaks to Frostbite and then they had the utter nerve to charge full-price for it! The scandal! Go picket the DICE offices!

 

Or is there a special reason you didn't respond? You maybe saw that your argument wasn't sound and didn't want to lose face through publicly ackowledging that? ;)

[Dudikoff]

LockOn and DCS do not look the same at all... terrain colours are same, I can agree with that but everything else does not... lockOn does not have HDR which gives the environment a nice and realsitic feel, especially when looking into the sun... the buildings have much longer range and density and better framerate... lots of objects have been updated... clouds look different also... the water looks better also... what else is there to compare? Oh wait... the runways/taxiways in new airbases are completely different and 10x better... Therefore TDBONE... you are not correct at all to say LockOn and DCS A-10C look the same.

 

I believe he's referring to the point that the underlying concept of an engine looks to be the same, so you basically have a similar basic scene with much more detailed objects, higher-res textures, all sorts of shader effects and HDR filter which makes the scene look much more realistic than it actually is. The downsize is that you might need a more powerful graphics card each time there's a major release :)

 

It's a similar case to Operation Flashpoint, ArmA and ArmA2 IMHO - although it's unbelievable how different the scenes look between them, if you turn off the HDR and other eye-candies, you can see that the core is coming from the same family with some of the same problems and limitations.

 

Since these engines were mostly conceived during single core era, the new engine would need to be scalable multi-threaded so that it can use as much cores as are available; not sure what major changes the new graphics card designs have and how the graphics engine design needs to be adapted to make the most use of it (I guess the new designs have more parallel units, but this is probably up to e.g. DirectX to handle so it's a moot point). Thus I'm not so sure that the graphics performance gains would be justified, but if e.g. the AI can be moved into separate CPU threads that would be a major improvement already.

 

But developing a new engine from ground up can take years so it's VERY expensive, so the upgrading approach is quite understandable and if you check the recent games, there's a lack of new advanced engines on the market anyway.

[TDBONE1]

the above poster is correct responding for me like he did.

 

the game DCS: A10C seems very similar to lockon to me (especially in hud view.)

 

it looks like F4 did when allied forces came out.

 

you do know i used to play flanker.

 

flanker to lockon was revolutionary and warranted a premium of $49.00 at the time.

 

going from lockon to FC to FC2 to blackskark to A10C just seems like minor upgrades to me.

 

mostly just cockpits and more radio messages.

 

i am glad people have been explaining of the graphic options that have changed but when i look at the scenery from lockon to A10C it looks alot similar.

 

i am sorry but that is how i see it.

 

now i know the cockpits look ALOT better.

i will say that....the MFD look sweet and i must say it just looks really polished but the clouds and terrain look just alot alike.

 

when i look at the airfields or cities when the videos are playing it looks alot like lockon.

 

i really think that the $60.00 price tag should be a new game and not just a modification even if it is a Total Conversion which this is not.

 

i will wait for price drop but that is what i do for all my games.

 

btw there was no BFBC for PC.....so i dont know what you mean.

i play BFBC2 so even if it is the same engine as BFBC1 i would never know as that never was on pc.

 

the previous BF on pc was BF2142 and then it went to BFBC2

 

so that was a huge difference.

 

btw does anyone remember flanker....i loved that game alot....and i loved lockon when it came out eventhough there was a ton of problems. :)

[EtherealN]

mostly just cockpits and more radio messages.

 

i am glad people have been explaining of the graphic options that have changed but when i look at the scenery from lockon to A10C it looks alot similar.

 

But holy...

 

Do you even read what people write? Cockpits and radio messages... Stop being a troll and start reading what people write. Seriously.

 

I'll give you the list again:

 

New graphics engine.

New sound engine.

New flight engine.

New instrumentation engine.

New GUI.

New AI.

New netcode.

New weather engine.

New mission logic.

New avionics engine.

New hydraulics computation. (There wasn't any before)

 

 

 

Entirely new flight engine. Not evolutionary, not changed, not tweaked, NEW. Completely new, from scratch. On behalf of the programmers (I hope they didn't have the misfortune of reading your posts) I'll apologize for there not being graphical effects involved in that, but this isn't Sonic The Hedgehog.

 

Seriously, read up about the product. Read what it does. Digitalcombatsimulator.com.

 

What you are doing here is a direct insult to years of hard work creating something that simply did not exist on the market before DCS - not outside labs at NASA and Boeing. This thing does in real-time on a PC what people used 100 million dollar supercomputers to do 10 years ago.

 

So seriously, I'm not playing now. You've been given tonnes of patient replies and explanations, and if you cannot read them and compute what they are saying, spend some time reading the site. Right now you are just trolling and... check the title under my username. Not playing with you now.

Edited February 23, 2011 by EtherealN

[TDBONE1]

i have read every post in this thread.

 

i have not skipped one work

 

if you arent playing that is fine.

 

what i have been doing is trying to gather information.

 

i just now figured you are somebody important.

 

that is great but just the average joe talking to me is fine to.

 

you are definately going to biased since you wrote the code.

 

you know if there was a demo it would be alot easier for me and others to check.

 

instead of i have to wait for reviews or come here and ask questions or watch some videos on youtube and there are not that money that show hud only.

 

all i am trying to do is spend my money wisely.

sorry for asking about the game.

 

btw i just noticed this thread was moved to chit-chat...

 

GREAT!!!

thanks for taking it out of the DCS: A10C forum....

Edited February 23, 2011 by TDBONE1

[EtherealN]

If you read every word, how do you get:

 

New graphics engine.

New sound engine.

New flight engine.

New instrumentation engine.

New GUI.

New AI.

New netcode.

New weather engine.

New mission logic.

New avionics engine.

New hydraulics computation. (There wasn't any before)

 

to

 

mostly just cockpits and more radio messages

 

Just not possible. This has gone from a pretty regular survey simulator (Lock On) to high-fidelity study simulation that is accurate enough in all respects that actual air forces use this stuff for training actual warfighting pilots. There is not a serving A-10C pilot in the USAF/ANG that didn't use the military version of this thing in their conversion training. But yeah... Just cockpits right?

 

And just for clarity: I didn't write the code, I'm a moderator/tester.

Edited February 23, 2011 by EtherealN

[TDBONE1]

it was in this thread that someone told me the radio messages were updated and also the cockpits.

 

that is why i "REPEATED" what they said.

 

after all how do you think i learned that info?

[EtherealN]

And you failed to repeat everything else that was mentioned. Hm?

[Insanatrix]

Game, Set, Match, Big E wins. Most people if they are dissatisfied with a product would be happy just not buying it and moving on, Maybe posting about their dissatisfaction once or twice. EtherealN has pretty much explained to you in detail what has changed yet you hang on to your argument even when proven wrong. Don't feed the troll Big E!!! :thumbup:

[EtherealN]

Nah, I'm not, I'm feeding my post-count. :P

[Insanatrix]

In that case....... How many dots is allowed?

[EtherealN]

Good question.

 

But nah, to be honest, this thread is getting nowhere. 10 pages of entertaining a troll is probably enough so I'll just close it.