The P Word - ETA?

[Lonecrow66]

As much as I love this sim, it just seems that the long missions I fly end up crashing. This time I crashed just doing the instant action and managing to take out everything except 3 tanks.. was shot up to hell because all I had was guns left, lost one engine and was looking forward to limping back to base and trying to land it most likely on stilts..

 

I had "message" flashing so I went to clear it and that is when it crashed.. well it was more of a freeze.. had to CTRL ALT DEL.

 

Checked my logs dir from all the other crashes I was going to actually post this one but there is none. This time. Sometimes it just doesn't dump the crash info.

 

Just getting frustrating sometimes having spent a lot of time running a mission only to have to do it again or losing all those stats, or looking forward to watching the track.

 

So when can we expect a patch?

[Nate--IRL--]

"When its done"

 

Nate

[Mustang]

2 weeks :D

[Ninjaofdoom]

And the circle starts again. People are gonna demand a patch asap, but if it is released 'rushed', and not every last thing is fixed, we will be back to square one. lol :D

[Wags]

A patch is already in the works but given past experience we will be giving no release projections or pre-release content lists.

Edited February 27, 2011 by Wags

[mooshim]

I feel your pain dude... I get it on IP lots. It's a consistent crash...

 

Try to replicate it and hope it's in the log the next time.

 

I think this may be a step toward a solution for us.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=59946

[Posting it here for others who may come across this thread.]

 

I have faith that no one is going to leave us in the lurch on ED's end.

 

In the meantime, I'm planning on refueling and refueling and refueling a lot.

 

I'm sure you would agree, the Quality Control gents are nothing if not attentive.

 

Cheers,

Moosh

[BoneDust]

A patch is already in the works but given past experience we will be giving no release projections or content lists.

 

Good call.

[mooshim]

--God, that guy is quick on the draw...! LMAO

[Lonecrow66]

Good to know :) Just that sometimes its sooooo fun I mean this is the best sim to date in the history of sims. Just gets frustrating at times.

[Invisibull]

It's good to know a patch is in the offing, though I had already assumed as much. Thanks again for such a wonderful sim. :)

[Lonecrow66]

I just ran another campaign mission that froze out of the blue again .. it seems like you can't go more than 30 mins in a mission.

 

This time I had the track file proof of the maverick bug, and the data point from jtac not showing up...

 

AND the ability of an SA 8 to track and lock and shoot at something that is behind a mountain..

 

Then I fired two sidewinders at two hinds.. heard the noise, but didnt see the missiles go anywhere.

 

So I finished them off with guns. I saw the missiles were gone off the rails.

 

I look back later on in the mission and they are BACK ON THE RAILS!

 

So yeah there are some issues. Just getting frustrated is all.

 

This is the sort of thing that sort of drove me away from F4.. it took years before it was playable. I don't want to wait that long for something like this.. I don't think that will be the case, but just another case of "rushed out the door" as per usual when it comes to Sims..

[hassata]

ED is a darn sweatshop--not that I'm complaining lol.

[Ranger79]

Everyone needs to show alittle patience. First we were presently suprised with the final release, I am sure they are working on a polished patch to correct the issues. The game is outstanding.

 

To relax just free flight at sunset in the clouds, that should calm some nerves lol.

[WynnTTr]

You using 32bit OS? Works fine for me on W7 64.

 

Any patch will just be a bonus.

[RodBorza]

Everyone needs to show alittle patience. First we were presently suprised with the final release, I am sure they are working on a polished patch to correct the issues. The game is outstanding.

 

To relax just free flight at sunset in the clouds, that should calm some nerves lol.

 

+1!

It's been only a week since the release of the game. Right now ED is taking note of what is happening on the A-10 Problems forums.

I believe that a patch will come along, but it will take a little longer. Until there, take your time to learn, relearn this sim. Even if you have to play that d... "aham"...good Georgia Spring Easy Instant Action mission for the nth time to learn how to set your SPI with your SOI for attack with a LGB (acronyms...you gotta be used to them). :juggle:

Edited February 27, 2011 by RodBorza

[Lonecrow66]

You using 32bit OS? Works fine for me on W7 64.

 

Any patch will just be a bonus.

 

 

Yeah W7 64bit with SP1. Actually it seems to be worse after SP1.. maybe that is the problem.

[shagrat]

I just ran another campaign mission that froze out of the blue again .. it seems like you can't go more than 30 mins in a mission.

 

What is your rig? Do you use 64-Bit version? I had the whole weekend and ran one mission after another, so far no crashes. Most missions took more than an hour to finish (one about 90min + 'cause I had to rearm/refuel).:thumbup:

 

The 64-bit version utilizes a lot of memory. As already stated elsewhere on the forum this seems related to some graphic glitches with the 32-bit as well (ran out of memory)...

 

And do not ALT+TAB during Simulation!!! ...only time I had issues (error popping up stooping the sim - something like: script cannot find speech file xy...), obviously related to the ALT+TAB to the desktop... :doh:

Edited February 28, 2011 by shagrat

[shagrat]

Yeah W7 64bit with SP1. Actually it seems to be worse after SP1.. maybe that is the problem.

 

Perhaps reinstallation of DirectX is a solution. During Beta 3 to 4 I had some problems with hang ups, crash to desktops that were solved after a reinstallation, like recommended in Wags Beta FAQ thread.

 

Just an idea. :surrender:

[Dusty Rhodes]

.. I don't think that will be the case, but just another case of "rushed out the door" as per usual when it comes to Sims..

 

For my psychological well being and the well being of the moderators, I am going to let that comment go by and just not comment or rip Lonecrow a new a-hole. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Lonecrow66]

For my psychological well being and the well being of the moderators, I am going to let that comment go by and just not comment or rip Lonecrow a new a-hole. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

Oh come on.. I've played a thousand sims and games from the Vic-20 onward. 95% of the games out there MAY have a minor patch, but it seems simulations especially flight sims are always rushed out and never finished. This was that case. I've rarely been able to finish a mission without a bug or a glitch of some sort.

 

I would have rather got the next beta first and then worked on the bugs first and even another beta first before you call something an official release.

 

What use is it flying for 30 mins when you lose everything you just did almost every time?

 

I'm willing to be perfectly patient with a beta .. but unfortunately I think this still was rushed out the door. It made a huge step from the last beta but it really needed another round of people looking at it.

[Lonecrow66]

uGH another perfect mission.. 6 JTAC aided mav kills, managed to weave my way around the air defenses and about to be on target for killing the HQ with my JDAM but I need to get low. I get locked up by some SA8's which take out my wingman.

 

I drop my cluster bombs on both groups of SA 8s.. just as they are about to be destroyed they launch and get me...

 

I have to eject..

 

SPLAT

 

Crash...

 

All for naught again.

[Apples]

Ya i don't even bother with the Campaign anymore with this final release, as 98% of the time my flight gets stuck at the airfield.

The doors of the hangers open onto the taxi way lol.

[hassata]

I feel for you Lonecrow, but you cannot say it's rushed when it's working for the vast majority ( as evidence, look at the congratulatory posts. Also keep in mind that most of the people for whom things are running well are not likely to post. I've dabbled in sims since 1985*, an this is without a doubt the most polished release I've seen, and is past performance is anything to go by, issue will be addressed and quick.

 

*F*ck me, that a quarter century. Someone please shoot me when dementia sets in.

[Burner]

--God, that guy is quick on the draw...! LMAO

 

Luckily he didn't lock the thread:)

[Zomba]

I think people often get confused with the fidelity of the sim, which implies a high standard of quality, and the nature of it's beta and release cycle. The sim itself is not the problem, nor is it general development process. In fact I find that side of it pretty impressive. The problem is that it was released prematurely without the necessary checks and level of testing required to ensure qualification for release.

 

Now before I get drawn and quartered and the hounds of hell are released I'll point out this isn't a personal attack or an opinion borne from frustration. Just an observation of reality that I've had to often go through myself. I've worked for years, as I suspect a number here have too, in the Design and Engineering field. Here it is Beta, for us it is called prototyping. You go through a number of prototype phases; testing fixes, developing functionality, identifying negatively affected areas whether due to those fixes or issues that were previously masked. Prototype after prototype (Beta after Beta) refining the design. You then enter the Production Prototype phase (Release Candidate). This is where you demonstrate the quality and functionality of a production example. This is where the actual design is qualified for production. This is where the buck stops. If there is a f*ckup here, then you better catch it and fix it before it goes into serial production. If the problem is big enough here, it ceases being a Production Prototype (RC) and becomes just another normal prototype (Beta) step.

 

Typically in my experience if I let a major issue go through to the wicket keeper and allow a significant issue to exist in the serial production (Final Release), I would lose my job. It was in my contract. As head engineer (Producer) It was my responsibility to ensure Quality Control was functional and up to standard. If this proved untenable, either due to the owners decision, or more often because of pressure from financial sources like Venture Capital (Bastards) then I have them agree to and sign a letter of liabilty recognising the inherent risks of skipping phases and/or quality control testing and preventing them looking at me to recover costs.

 

This is not a criticism at ED, nor am I trolling the thread. I'm just pointing out that design development can be an extremely rewarding and also devastatingly heart breaking process. Many people in this sort of field love what they do and put a lot of personal stock into the project. It can be very sad to see things outside your control interfere with it. Sometimes decisions are made that appear irrational from the outside, but without all of the relevant facts to appreciate there is not much else to infer from it.

 

But as this is a free market, if you don't like what has happend here then voice your concerns to ED loud and clear. If the signal to noise is high enough then I'm sure the sentiment will be passed onto the responsible parties. Some here may find the thought of this reprehensable, but in fact to remain silent when you have an opinion to express, then your silence is reprehensible. If you care about what ED is trying to achieve here then they must be willing to accept thoughtful criticism as well as praise.

 

Disagreement is fine, rudeness is not.