Using Marks to prosecute multiple targets in one pass.

[Dropbear]

Hi All.

 

I used this tute

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/ExcessiveHeadspace#p/c/498AA25551CE10C0/0/Qy-RNLLP-Rs

 

to learn how to fire off multiple JDAMs in two passes. One pass to identify and mark targets, another to drop the weapons. It works ok. Quite fiddly while playing with the CDU. It would be nice if there was a easier way to copy all marks to a new flight plan.. (can't believe the analysts who design the avionics suite don't have that! but oh well).

 

My question relates to Mavericks. Is it possible to slave a Mav to a mark without setting each mark up as a SPI? That seems to be a time poor thing to have to do? Do you really have to

 

1. Choose your preset mark

2. Slave TGT pod to it.

3. Set SPI

4. Move to Mav MFD

5. Slew to SPI

6. Lock

7. Fire

 

for each mark set??

[Slick Twitchy]

I've found that the extra step of adding all the markpoint to a FLIGHTPLAN seems unnecessary. Just switch to "markpoint" mode, and you can cycle through your markpoints same way you cycle through steerpoints/waypoints.

[Dropbear]

Thanks twitchy.. That makes sense.

[Necroscope]

Hey folks.

I'm little bit confused by this procedure as well. Cause I have jump around the screens(MFDs+HUD) all the time using TM Warthog.

In my case situation looks this way:

 

1. Set HUD as SOI.

1.1. Choose next mark

2. Set TGP as SOI.

2.1. Slave TGT pod to mark.

3. Set SPI

4. Set Mav MFD as SOI

5. Slew Mav to SPI

6. Lock

7. Fire

 

9 steps... I have feeling that I'm douing smthg wrong here.

[RodBorza]

Hey folks.

I'm little bit confused by this procedure as well. Cause I have jump around the screens(MFDs+HUD) all the time using TM Warthog.

In my case situation looks this way:

 

1. Set HUD as SOI.

1.1. Choose next mark

2. Set TGP as SOI.

2.1. Slave TGT pod to mark.

3. Set SPI

4. Set Mav MFD as SOI

5. Slew Mav to SPI

6. Lock

7. Fire

 

9 steps... I have feeling that I'm douing smthg wrong here.

 

Yes, you are doing some steps that are not necessary.

From what I understand from your post, you've already found and marked all the targets with the TGP.

Now you have all the targets stored in the memory. Let's say you have Marks A, B, and C.

Then, you have to change the CDU from NAV to MARK. :smartass:

Follwing this, you'll see that the system automatically makes the selected mark point as the SPI. If you change the mark point, you'll see that the next one will be the SPI. Very nice feature that saves a lot of time! :thumbup:

 

So, the sequence should be:

 

1. Set HUD as SOI.

1.1. Choose next mark

2. Slave all to SPI (CHF Long).

3. Select Mav Page as SOI

4. Lock

5. Fire

 

Rinse and repeat as needed.

 

Also, if i'm not mistaken, you can skip another step by not choosing HUD as SOI. Just changing the Mark points with the rocker button should do the trick. :music_whistling:

Edited March 2, 2011 by RodBorza

[RodBorza]

I've found that the extra step of adding all the markpoint to a FLIGHTPLAN seems unnecessary. Just switch to "markpoint" mode, and you can cycle through your markpoints same way you cycle through steerpoints/waypoints.

 

 

Dropbear,

Also take note that each selected mark point will be the SPI. If you change from Mark A to Mark B, then this one will be the newest SPI. And so on. Look on the previous post to see how the sequence works.

[Dropbear]

Thanks all who contributed.. I am now able to mark up a number of targets and prosecute them all in one run in. With both Mavs and JDAMS.. very impressed.

 

Also, if i'm not mistaken, you can skip another step by not choosing HUD as SOI. Just changing the Mark points with the rocker button should do the trick..

 

yes. You can do it all without changing the SOI from the mav page, which makes it much quicker.

[Necroscope]

Yes, you are doing some steps that are not necessary.

From what I understand from your post, you've already found and marked all the targets with the TGP.

Now you have all the targets stored in the memory. Let's say you have Marks A, B, and C.

Then, you have to change the CDU from NAV to MARK. :smartass:

Follwing this, you'll see that the system automatically makes the selected mark point as the SPI. If you change the mark point, you'll see that the next one will be the SPI. Very nice feature that saves a lot of time!

 

Hm... wait a sec.

Seems this is the the problem - after marking all tagerts, everything works fine - changing of mark-points also moving TGP to marked position.

But, after first shot - it doesn't. And I have to Slave TGP to Mark-point everytime on Mark-point change.

[Dropbear]

Hm... wait a sec.

Seems this is the the problem - after marking all tagerts, everything works fine - changing of mark-points also moving TGP to marked position.

But, after first shot - it doesn't. And I have to Slave TGP to Mark-point everytime on Mark-point change.

 

 

have you set the CDU to MARK, instead of FLIGHT?

[Necroscope]

have you set the CDU to MARK, instead of FLIGHT?

 

Yes.

In other words - I have to set each mark-point as POI each time on mark change.

 

Anyway - I'll try to retest all this stuff step-by-step once again.

 

Thank you for replies ^)

[RogueRunner]

This used to work for me in B3 but tried it again in final a few nights back and it did not work for me anymore. Did not try all that hard though and I thought I missed a step somewhere and would try again some time. It seems though that something has changed in the final regarding this SOP.

 

Was useful in the past. I could kill a bunch of tanks with one pass with mavericks after I marked their positions from a safe distance first.

[Dropbear]

Yes.

In other words - I have to set each mark-point as POI each time on mark change.

 

Anyway - I'll try to retest all this stuff step-by-step once again.

 

Thank you for replies ^)

 

Hmmm weird..

 

I tried this today and it worked fine for me .. set six marks using the targeting pod, set CDU to mark, made mavs my SOI, slaved to the first mark, hit the LCTRL-UP key to lock, fire, used steerpoint rocker switch to choose mark b, LCTRL-UP, fire, steerpoint to C, LCTRL-UP, fire...

[StrongHarm]

Necro(heh) ... you're problem is that you're slaving to SPI instead of Slaving TGP to steerpoint(highlighted red below). See, under normal circumstances you would have:

*Slew TGP to target

*Make SPI

*Slave all to SPI (China FORWARD LONG)

*Drop da bomb

 

What you want to do now isn't slaving all to SPI, but rather slaving to Steerpoint.

*Create markpoints

*Change to Mark on Steer PT knob on AAP

*Slave TGP to Steerpoint (China AFT LONG)

*Drop bomb

*Change to next steerpoint (SPI will change with it since you're slaved to steerpoint)

[RogueRunner]

Necro(heh)

*Slave TGP to Steerpoint (China AFT LONG)

 

This was my mistake. I used FWD last time.

 

rep inbound

[Skoop]

Can you do GBU-12s with this method, or I assume not if the targets a on the move.

 

If you were trying to take down a column on the move, is there some sort of multi targeting / simultaneous attack method that can be done ?

[159th_Viper]

 

If you were trying to take down a column on the move, is there some sort of multi targeting / simultaneous attack method that can be done ?

 

Couple of CBU-97's :)

[majapahit]

,, not if the targets a on the move.

exactly

 

If you were trying to take down a column on the move, is there some sort of multi targeting / simultaneous attack method that can be done ?

I use mavericks, and fly the Wagon Wheel on top of the target,

a lot of times it locks by itself if the next target is easy to identify

or repeat locking by slewing the target gate a tiny bit

(you need to be aware where the next target is situated)

 

keep an eye on your pointing cross also

keep the wagon wheel somewhere in the center of the hud

so it's like a gun run 'strafing'

you cannot move the plane too much

 

it needs some practice

but I do it all the time

(you run out of mavs real quick this way, but mavs are a sure hit)

[StrongHarm]

Try this method for Mavs:

*13-15k ft, 10nm separation from target area

*TGP lock and SPI target, slave all SOI to SPI

*Line up with target

*neg 8-10 on the pitch and path autopilot

*throttles all the way back

*Let the aircraft stabilize

*Switch to Mav camera and TMS FWD Short for track (first target only)

*Fire, acquire, fire, acquire... etc.

 

The mav camera is much more stable. You'll still be more than 5nm away at 10k or higher and you'll have up to 6 mavs in the air.

[NRG-Vampire]

Thanks, useful infos

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=69222

[FOXFIRE TWOONE]

Here is a trk of my latest 5 of 5 GBU 38 strike if anyone care to watch. It starts in air.

GBUs batumi airborn start 5 of 5.trk

[stormrider]

I still didnt read the CDU chapter so I´m loosing a few steps here.

Would someone be kind enough and explain the steps involving the use of the CDU, right after clicking TMS Right Short (to Mark Points) and before Selecting MARK instead of FLIGHT in CDU.

 

Cheers

[159th_Viper]

Would someone be kind enough and explain the steps involving the use of the CDU.....

 

There are no steps involving the CDU.

 

All you are doing is setting the Steerpoint dial to Mark, located on the Auxiliary Avionics Panel (AAP).

[stormrider]

As far as I understood, the procedure to attack multiple targets in one run using either Bombs or Mavericks is:

1- Recon the area with TGPod from a stand off position and "mark targets" (TMS Right Short)

2- Select Mark in CDU instead of Flight

 

For Mavericks:

3- Load Maverick profile using either DSMS or HUD DMS Lft/Rgt (?) to cycle weapons profile

4- Select target (marks) using HUD rocker or (HUD DMS Fwd/Bck)

5- Coolie Right to select MAV

6- Slave all to SPI to (China Fwd Long)

7- Lock and Fire

8- Repeat from step 4 if targets are halted or

9- Stabilize (TMS aft) and Slew/Lock/Fire at remaining targets

 

For INS guided bombs:

3- Load up the weapon profile using either DSMS or HUD cycle

4- Start CMS run in program

5- Select target (marks) using HUD rocker or (HUD DMS Fwd/Bck)

6- Release Weapon

7- Repeat from step 5 and attack remaining targets

 

is it correct?

 

cheers

[159th_Viper]

2- Set Steer-point dial, located on Auxiliary Avionics Panel, to Mark.

 

Again - has nothing to do with CDU.

 

Apart from that, appears correct.

[wayne69]

Hi Guys,

I created a mission, where I can practise this subject.

TGP to point mode, set waypoint, chance to mark, lock maverick, slew to next waypoint.

Well everthing works fine, can hit 6 targets, with one run,very easy, great.:thumbup:

But it only works when I start from the runway.

 

Same mission now startpoint ramp, I start up the bird like I learned it in the training mission. Fly to my target area, make the same steps like in the runway start mission.

But now I cant jump through the waypoints A, B, C, D etc.

Or better say the maverick or TGP wont jump through the waypoints.

Think I miss something in the startup procedure with the CDU.

Does somebody have an idea what I miss?

Regards from Germany