ED, I think I found a great source of info on F16

[leafer]

Last week I went flying ultralight (free ride :D) with this flight school and was talking to one of the guys then I found out his brother is an F16 instructor in the Royal Thai Airforce. But I kept my cool and carried on the conversation but I was thinking, hey, maybe I can hook ED up with some useful info. :D

 

So, on the 9th, the F16 pilot might be test flying a new ultralight the school had bought. Want some useful info, say, for your next project? :D :D

 

Also, this guy also said that his brother had told him that RTA is looking into buying a fleet of Saab Viggen and he'll be the test pilot. Might be something there for your other project. ;)

 

NO I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING NOR MONEY FROM YOU GUYS. Just keep on making the best flight sim. And if an F16 is happened to be the next flyable then make it so that no one can say that it didn't live up to Falcon standard. Keep in mind that I don't know what he's like and if he is a snobbish dickhead. But hey, ya never know and it doesn't hurt to ask.

 

my e-mail:

 

naratib (at) hotmail

 

if you prefer privacy

[Groove]

Ask him about the F16 RWR Display ;)

[Pilotasso]

The F-16 is already in plan for a flyable and respective AFM in another product. ED is staying quiet about waht this new SIM will be.

[SUBS17]

You still need an F-16 pilot to help test the FM and avionics.

[leafer]

Ok, let's see how friendly he is when total stranger asking questions about classified stuff. lol

 

What about RWR?

 

I'm thinking about asking if he would take a recorder up and get some in-flight sound.

[Dammerung]

Jets are pretty much silent from the cockpit...

[hotray]

ever put a real jetpilot helmet on your head?

 

amazing how it mutes the noise...

 

taking a sound-recorder into the cockpit would not correspond to the real noise a pilot can hear.

[Groove]

RWR Displays are classified leafer...

[leafer]

Well, I'm not flying real jets so I need to be stimulated with sounds. :D

 

Yeah, I figured RWR is classifed. Anyway, was just a thought. You know, doesnt hurt to have a real life military pilot as an adviser if they are doing an F16. We'll see how it goes with this guy.

 

cheers

[SUBS17]

I don't know why flight sim companies go through so much trouble with details such as RWR symbology and audio indications. Particularly lockons successor considering that the current performance on lockon FC is more than adequate to do the job. As for your viper driver friend, don't put him on the spot by asking him for information that you know they aren't allowed to talk about. Concentrate on flight models, avionics, ramp starts stuff like that.

[leafer]

Actually, aside from asking if he would tape the cockpit sound and engine sound, I was just going to see if he'd be interested in advising ED on their F16 project; if it's even involved an F16 as flyable. Of course, he'd have to be motivated in to it and be compensated. I was just going to see if I can hook them up and the rest is ED job. Maybe this pilot wouldn't be interested in such job at all-I don't know but we'll see. Asians are notorious for being snobbish pricks and I'd imagine a fighter pilot might feel that he doesn't want to talk to a lowly me. Typical Asian attitude but who knows. :)

 

ED hasn't said a thing so I guess they're not interested. Perhaps they've got all the data they needed.

[Groove]

Did you ever asked yourself why the RWR display is classified ? I dont have a clue.

[leafer]

:D

 

Yesterday I took a two hour bus ride to the flight school and there were two guys there. One of them, an instructor whom I had already met. So, I said hello to the instructor then turned to the other guy and asked if he's a student. hehe :D

 

The instructor replied, this is Dom, the F16 pilot I was telling you about. :D :D

 

Anyway, I gotta run but this is how it went. He was extremely nice and polite!

 

I asked what he can and can't talk about the F16. He said a lot but he can't talk about specific detail of weapons and radar. For example, radar ranges. So I asked if he can talk about RWR, yes he said but not the symbology. Then I asked about tone. He smile and said no. :D BUT he said there is only 'one' tone in the F16, but the intensity varied? Or I think that's what he said.

 

On the RWR, he did give me a hint. If they intercepted an F16 then it would be something like an F symbol. An Su-27 might be something like Su27. Those were his exact words, but in Thai. :D

 

Ramp start:

 

HE CAN TALK ABOUT EVERY BIT OF IT. But he did tell me that there are procedures per manual but it's up to individual pilot to select the best short cut that suited him/her. I'm not sure what that meant.

 

At the end I asked if I could go to the base and sit in the cockpit. He politely said no. :D lol

 

Anyway, I'm going to the school again and about to leave. But he won't be there today. Damn I love this place. They treated me very kind eventhough they knew I had no money to attend their classes. But there is a class in session with 4 students (basterds :D) and I'm welcomed anytime.

 

OH. I asked if he can give specific detail of what buttons to push to go into certain radar mode and he said yes. But I had no idea what to ask.

 

Later

[SUBS17]

Did you mention lockons successor?

[leafer]

Did you mention lockons successor?

 

If you mean the possibility that ED next sim may be based on an F16 then yes, I did mention it to him. However, I don't think he plays any flight simulation at all and definitely never heard of Lock On. But I did ask that 'IF' ED is looking for a professional adviser, would he be interested in the job. An enthusiatic YES he gave! Damn I sounded like Yoda. But I don't think it'll be a freebie.

 

NO I'm not trying to be a representative for ED nor am I trying to poke my nose in ED's business, and I have no personal gain or interest other than wanting ED to succeed in their next sim...and the one after...

 

Anyway, I got his phone number, so ED, if you're interested then lemme know.

[Olgerd]

Actually we are reading all that your write. ;) And... beleive me it is very meaning for us to have as many relations with real pilots as it possible. So...

The first. Thank you A LOT for your efforts!

The second. Now we have Dash-1 and Dash-34 for F-16CJ. So we have decriptions for many (if not all) panels in the cockpit.

The following things are highly needed:

1) Quality sounds (videos if possible) of engine/JFS start up/shut down recorded outside/inside cockpit from various aspects (for outside).

2) Any aural cues heard from headset.

3) Videos of INS alingment/DTC loading procedure/instruments check.

4) Any HUD tapes/radio comms sources. Any weapon delivery videos are highly welcome as well.

5) Ground maitenance videos.

 

To all.

We also have famous HAF F-16C cockpit startup video. Please don't offer it again.

We have "Denver to Colorado Springs" HUD tape from http://www.fox3simulations.com (the link is broken don't try to find it) too...

;)

 

Thank you.

[Cobra360]

There are some F-16 sounds on the Fighterops site that you may be able to..''borrow''

 

http://www.fighterops.com/sounds.htm

 

BTW, are ED seriously considering working on a flyable F-16 in a future project?

If so thats news to me and happy days all round.

 

The http://www.f-16.net site has a wealth of info on the various F-16 Blocks. Their forums aslo have some RL F-16 pilots and maintainers, crew chiefs that drop by from time to time.

[Prophet_169th]

I would guess, with the ease at which Olgerd asked for information, and responded, then I would say, yes.

[Kenan]

F16 in LOMAC?

This is getting better and better! ;)

[Olgerd]

There are some F-16 sounds on the Fighterops site that you may be able to..''borrow''

 

http://www.fighterops.com/sounds.htm

 

BTW, are ED seriously considering working on a flyable F-16 in a future project?

If so thats news to me and happy days all round.

 

The http://www.f-16.net site has a wealth of info on the various F-16 Blocks. Their forums aslo have some RL F-16 pilots and maintainers, crew chiefs that drop by from time to time.

 

Thanks but... we can not "borrow" anything. It is not fair at least.

 

We read anything usefull at http://www.f-16.net. Sometimes I am asking something there (sometimes very essential things... :D ).

[Cobra360]

Which version of the F-16 are you guys working on or which would you like to do. I see you already said you have some F-16CJ manuals. So I guess your going down the Block 50/52 route as Falcon.

 

Are you going to model the latest CCIP Block 50/52s which have the APG-68V9 radar and the Sniper XR targeting pod, plus the JHMCS AIM-9X combo. I know all this stuff is of the latest technology and you may not get all the de-classified info for the job.

 

Or just do a basic Block 50/52 with just HARM capability along with the usuall Maverick and dumb bombs, no fancy JDAMs or WCMDs.

[SUBS17]

There are some F-16 sounds on the Fighterops site that you may be able to..''borrow''

 

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You could ask but I doubt that it would happen.

[Olgerd]

Now we have any info on JHMS/AIM-9X, Sniper pod or JDAM/WCMD delivery/employment procedures. So we have plans to make 'basic' F-16CJ bl50D/52D with HTS-capability and with some set of modifications - MMC, DTS, color MFDs.

Right now we are trying to get as much info as possible. The work itself will be started a some time later (next year I think).

If we will get enough info on the mentioned new F-16 capabilities - they will be modelled. I have to say here that many of them was incorporated at real jets in last 1-3 years, so the detailed info is classified (and will be classified many years ahead).

[Cobra360]

It may be possible to do Bl50N/52Ns these F-16s were the first to get JDAM capability. The JDAM can opperate in three modes kind of like the AGM-88. There's a PB mode or pre briefed where the target co-ordinates are already programed into the bomb on takeoff. Then the pilot would just fly to a release point and pickle the weapon, in a similar manner to CCRP boming except the target is already defined and the player cannot change. Similar to how the Kh-41 opperates in Lockon.

 

The JDAM can also be used in CCIP mode or TOO, target of oppertunity. The whole launch procedure is exactly like a normal CCIP bomb release. Except the JDAM is not effected by wind unlike normal dumb bombs.

 

A third mode that is not used by the F-16s with the APG-68V5/7 radars because they do not have a SAR mode but is by the 68V9s is where the pilot selects a target on the air to ground radar screen. Then selects the JDAM, the target co-ordinates are transfered into the weapon on the fly and it is released in a mode similar to a CCRP drop.

 

Another way to release a JDAM is by using the Sniper XR pod to ID the target and the pod generates target co-ordinates for transfere to the eapon prior to release, but the Sniper pod is not going to be used in your work so no point in going on.

[GGTharos]

It should be pretty simple to model the pod though; the data may not completely accurate but you can easily guess the zoom functions, its gimbals, and laser range, and from there on all it does is give you an image ... basically like the Su-25T camera. There's very little difference in how those would be moelled, I believe, except there may be some interesting usage modes ... but still, no point in not modelling it just because you don't know everything about it; so long as it can guide GBU's and slave maverick seekers on target, it's all good i think ;)

 

And please consider laser code for buddy lasing and for use with the A-10's pave penny (A-10 AFACs in Kosovo used to verify the F-16's targets were the same that the AFAC wanted them to strike by having the 16's lase them and looking for the pave penny diamong on teh A-10 HUD) and the Wingman buddy number for AMRAAMs.