RichardG Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Bug or operator error? Changed weapon profiles and saved them on the ramp (Laser time, and auto lase etc.). After missing a few LGB dropps, I look back in the ordinance display page and see that the changes I made were not saved. This has happened to me twice now on 2 different flights. I did mash the save button after parameter changes. (bomb drops missed because auto lase was not enabled). I would add, I'm cycling the profiles with DMS switch. And it seems to be happening with stores loaded in pairs. Example, 2 bombs on each side of plane will both be highlighted when selecting that ordinance profile. To save time, i change profile on the weapon while they are both highlighted. That should work yes?
BiPod Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) EDIT: I was completely wrong about this, please ignore my comments @RichardG. Sorry, looks like I ended up hijacking your thread. "Mashing" the save button is not enough unless you have also changed the profile name. If you do not rename the profile then the changes will only last until you cycle to the next profile. BiPod. EDIT: Just think of the save button as a windows "Apply" without saving, and a rename and save as a Windows "Apply" and "OK". Edited March 10, 2011 by BiPod
Eddie Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 "Mashing" the save button is not enough unless you have also changed the profile name. If you do not rename the profile then the changes will only last until you cycle to the next profile. BiPod. Not true at all. When you change a parameter in any weapon profile, pressing the save OSB should (and in my experience does) save said changes. This is permanent, and the changes will remain until you either make more changes and save them, or you reload the DTS. RichardG, If you can replicate this, please post a track of the behaviour. It'll make it a lot easier to work out if it's pilot error or a bug.
fragged Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Not true at all. When you change a parameter in any weapon profile, pressing the save OSB should (and in my experience does) save said changes. This is permanent, and the changes will remain until you either make more changes and save them, or you reload the DTS. So far every time I've changed the active weapon profile, changes to the last one were lost. Used to work fine with beta5 and before. Track attached.dsms.trk Edited March 10, 2011 by fragged
BiPod Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 The default weapon profile is never changed. If you make a change without giving the new profile a name then it has nowhere to save. Track attached clearly showing this. I stand by my statement, though I accept that there may be a tricky way around this that I am not aware of. Yours with uncertain apprehension;), BiPod.Weapons_Save.trk
Insanatrix Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Easiest Way I've found to do it, Save your profile, doesn't need to be renamed. Now if you just select a weapon station you are not selecting a profile you are selecting that weapon. go to the DSMS stats page, or the page that lists the weapons in grid view and select the type of weapon you want to use, once you do you should see an option to act pro or activate profile. Hit activate profile when you have the weapon type selected and your profile will be loaded. You will see it selects all weapons of that type on all stations and the profile you saved will be loaded.
Spetz Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I have this as well except sometimes it saves on only one weapon station but the others are all default (for example, I've got 4 LGB's loaded). I've been programming individual stations as I need it right now. I don't see the need for renaming the profile as It was never like this before. What if I want pair to drop instead of a single for one target ? Does that mean I have to have 3 or 4 profiles just for one weapon ? Doesnt make sense to me.. Dev input on this ? *EDIT >>> Insanatrix's post wasn't there when I typed this..I'll try tonight..
MTFDarkEagle Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I had a look at your track BP, and what you are doing is not quite right. You have to select the stations for which you want to create a profile (like you did), and create the profile (like you did). And save it obviously. However, when you want to use that profile, you have to select the profile, not the weapons in that profile. Because the way you did it, that was for creating a new profile. I'll get a track done in a second. I hope this helped for now. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
Insanatrix Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Also forgot to mention that if you just save to the default profile without renaming, I believe that profile is by default for all weapons of that type. If you want 1 specific weapon to have a profile you need to select that weapon, edit it's profile then save it as something like GBU-38-1 or GBU-38/1. Then you can just set HUD as SOI select the weapon type and go through profiles with the DSMS left/right short.
Phrenesis Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) I noticed this tonight also after missing a few bombs. When i change a profile via the profile screen, then it'll appear not be applied when i few the profile via the DSMS. Although when i go back to that profile via the profile screen it'll have the settings as i set them... For the settings to work i need to select one of the bombs in the DSMS, press the prof button and make the changes there. When saved the settings will be used for all the bombs of the same type. EDIT: After reading the above posts, i guess i've been doing it wrong also. When has this changed because it worked like this in beta? Edited March 10, 2011 by Phrenesis [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Insanatrix Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I have this as well except sometimes it saves on only one weapon station but the others are all default (for example, I've got 4 LGB's loaded). I've been programming individual stations as I need it right now. I don't see the need for renaming the profile as It was never like this before. What if I want pair to drop instead of a single for one target ? Does that mean I have to have 3 or 4 profiles just for one weapon ? Doesnt make sense to me.. Dev input on this ? *EDIT >>> Insanatrix's post wasn't there when I typed this..I'll try tonight.. If you want to drop 2 specific bombs from 2 specific stations as a pair you select them in the DSMS like normal. Edit the settings etc... rename the profile to something like Bombpair or whatever you want then save. Thats only if you care which stations they drop off of. If you have 4 mk84's and you don't care which stations drop then just set it to pairs save as default and select the profile through DSMS or the HUD as SOI. If you do it through DSMS you have to hit act profile otherwise you haven't loaded the profile.
Eddie Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Haven't got time to view the tracks now, it'll have to wait until tomorrow evening. But from the comments in this thread it sounds like it's a stick-seat interface issue, or to put it another way, you're doing it wrong. ;)
BiPod Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I had a look at your track BP, and what you are doing is not quite right. You have to select the stations for which you want to create a profile (like you did), and create the profile (like you did). And save it obviously. However, when you want to use that profile, you have to select the profile, not the weapons in that profile. Because the way you did it, that was for creating a new profile. I'll get a track done in a second. I hope this helped for now. Yep. Looks like I have to eat a lot of humble pie here. Thanks Eddie and MTDDarkEagle. I had the idea that the default would never change. Perhaps an early Beta issue but much more likely an early poor learning issue that I never unlearned. I stand Humiliated, BiPod.
MTFDarkEagle Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I was able to do it like this ever since beta 1 though... Anyway, good you know how to do it now :) Glad I could help :) Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
Eddie Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Ok, I've watched your tracks (who needs sleep :D), and as I thought, you're doing it wrong ;). You are not using the profile you have edited, you're using the manual profile (by selecting stations individually). I've done a quick & simple track to show proper use of the profiles. Please ignore the very poorly planned and executed ingress, and pop-up, and the somewhat hasty systems setup. :joystick:DSMS Profile.trk
BiPod Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Oops. Very sorry to keep you up. The issue was sorted a couple of posts ago. You were right. I'll still take a look at your track. Might be something else I can learn:). BiPod.
GGTharos Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Do NOT select weapons via DSMS unless you have a particularly good reason for this, such individually planned profiles for each weapon (but even then, you should just create a new profile instead). Select your weapons by setting HUD to SOI and DMS left/right short. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Mugenjin Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 When you select a station via DSMS it should say something like "M/GBU-12" in the middle of DSMS. Note the "M/" which means that you didn't load the profile you saved before, but manually selected the station with default profile.
S77th-konkussion Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I find it a bit curious that when there are say.. 4 MAV D's (2 per side) that when the profile is selected the DSMS does not select a weapon from alternating sides for aircraft balance.. I guess I'm reading too much into this from my years in the Tfrog- that thing tipped pretty easily after a launch.. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
fragged Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I don't see any logic in the behavior but there rarely is any when it comes to user interfaces.. :P
Mugenjin Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I find it a bit curious that when there are say.. 4 MAV D's (2 per side) that when the profile is selected the DSMS does not select a weapon from alternating sides for aircraft balance.. I guess I'm reading too much into this from my years in the Tfrog- that thing tipped pretty easily after a launch.. Actually I found that curious as well. I tried with GBU-12s on TER and they did alternate.
fragged Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Don't you need to change the order that MAV's are launched in from the MSL -menu of the DSMS?
S77th-konkussion Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Don't you need to change the order that MAV's are launched in from the MSL -menu of the DSMS? I will see. I haven't looked at that. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
El_Roto Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Do NOT select weapons via DSMS unless you have a particularly good reason for this, such individually planned profiles for each weapon (but even then, you should just create a new profile instead). Select your weapons by setting HUD to SOI and DMS left/right short. :cry: A lesson learned in the Training Modules and quickly forgotten. :doh: Thanks for reiterating this. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 257th Fighting Falcons/First VFW-25th Virtual Fighter Squadron Specs: Win7 HP 64 bit, i7-960 @ 3.2GHz, 12GB DDR3 RAM @ 1333MHz, Intel-based Alienware mobo, 256GB Samsung SSD, WD 1.0TB HD, Samsung LCD monitor @ 1920x1200, TM Warthog, SIMPED vario F-16 rudders w/brakes, R.A.T. 7 mouse, 2xMimo 7" LCDs, 2xTM Cougar MFDs, and TrackIR4 w/Pro Clip. Wife who tolerates it. Cat who thinks she can interrupt at ANY time. :doh:
Mugenjin Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Nope nothing there. But I found this: HOTAS select. When the HUD is the SOI, the HOTAS can be used to select a Maverick profile from the HUD rotary. This automatically displays the Maverick page and assigns it as the SOI. Maverick will be used as a weapon when selected this way. Maverick will automatically be set to Standby mode (no seeker video is displayed) if it is not displayed on either MFCD and has not been slaved or ground stabilized.When the Maverick has been selected, the priority missile will automatically be activated. Maverick priority is determined by: - If Maverick is loaded on LAU-88, station 9 will have priority over station 3 by default. The outboard rail will be first selected, then the center rail, and last the inboard rail. Only after all missiles have been expended from the station will selection automatically transfer to station 3. With station 3 selected, Maverick will be cycled the same way: outboard, then center, then inboard. Using the missile reject function, this is the order in which Maverick is cycled as well. - If Maverick is loaded on LAU-117, the Maverick on station 9 will be the priority, but the user can use the missile reject function to select station 3 instead. Missile Step is supposed to be China Hat Aft Short with Mav as SOI. Is there any indication as to which rail is activated?
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