Different types of bombs

[Psit]

Hey guys, i did a quick search but i didnt find any info.

 

Is there a way we can have a list of all bomb types and whats the optimal way of using them concerning ccip and ccrp targeting.

 

The tutorials dont help much with all the different types of bombs.

 

... and what the hell is up with the damned gbu 12 (i think) cant hit a thing with it using ccip

 

help ! :pilotfly:

[Sinky]

The GBU-12 is a Laser Guided Bomb, it can be deployed from CCIP I think but it's usually deployed from CCRP above 10K feet. If your not lasing the target you will not hit it.

 

There are multiple ways to employ different bombs which ultimately depend on the tactical situation.

[Psit]

Thanks Sinky, i am wondering, when you go to the missions and you try the first east georgia mission, are you supposed to go to base to rearm? Because im getting out of ammo / missiles. Also, how am i supposed to bomb the god damn vehicle column when they got 2 aa/sam with the stupid gbu-12 and 38 bombs. I think the weapons loadout in that mission could be better?

[Zenra]

As Sinky said the guided bombs are usually best employed using CCRP - this applies to the inertial / GPS JDAM types as well as the laser guided bombs. CCRP is also useful for cluster bombs so long as you have a good mark on your target area, such as an aim point you set up through your TGP.

 

CCIP works better in diving attacks when you want to keep your target area in your line of sight. Works well for dumb bombs like Mk-82s and such. CCIP also works well for firing rockets.

 

It all depends on the tactical situation. There are exceptions, but in general you will use CCRP from high altitude to deploy guided munitions where MANPADS, AAA and other ground fire cannot reach you. If the tactical situation allows, or when circumstances require you to get up close and personal, then CCIP may be the way to go.

[Sinky]

Thanks Sinky, i am wondering, when you go to the missions and you try the first east georgia mission, are you supposed to go to base to rearm? Because im getting out of ammo / missiles. Also, how am i supposed to bomb the god damn vehicle column when they got 2 aa/sam with the stupid gbu-12 and 38 bombs. I think the weapons loadout in that mission could be better?

 

I haven't touched the campaign since the beta but it sounds like you could use a maverick or two. You can counter a Zeus easily with the gun providing you practice, as long as I fire and break off before I get to within 1nm then he can't touch me.

 

Adding on to Zenra's post, when using dumb bombs such as the MK82, MK84, CBU-87 and the CBU-97 you will receive the most accurate delivery using CCIP but conditions don't always permit. You may encounter IR guided threats preventing you from going below 10K.

[Cibit]

Thanks Sinky, i am wondering, when you go to the missions and you try the first east georgia mission, are you supposed to go to base to rearm? Because im getting out of ammo / missiles. Also, how am i supposed to bomb the god damn vehicle column when they got 2 aa/sam with the stupid gbu-12 and 38 bombs. I think the weapons loadout in that mission could be better?

 

I use the guns for the first 2 targets and get my wingman to take out the AAA near tanks. Keep mavs for moving convoy. Take out threats with Mavs then the gun. You can use both 38's and 12's for the static tanks and bridge:)

[Psit]

So, we have:

 

4 mavs

2 x gbu 12

2x gbu 38

some rockets for infantry

and the gun

 

I guess my wingman has the same loadout

 

And we must kill:

6 or 7 AA's

9 tanks

and the small targets and bridge which u can kill with the gun

 

This leads to an about 1:1 ratio for the munitions. How can you not miss 1 time?

 

I think its v hard to do withour rearming.

 

edit: i understand u can kill tanks with the GAU, but still i think you dont have enough weapons :)

[Cibit]

The thing is the AAA and sams are not targets. To be honest these quick missions are how I learned most of my weapons delivery techniques. It does not matter if you killed every living thing on the map, but how successfully you prosecuted your attack. The only time I miss with a weapons system now is pilot error;)

[Sinky]

The thing is the AAA and sams are not targets. To be honest these quick missions are how I learned most of my weapons delivery techniques. It does not matter if you killed every living thing on the map, but how successfully you prosecuted your attack. The only time I miss with a weapons system now is pilot error;)

 

You never get a Maverick miss when it was fired with a perfect lock and well within parameters on a non moving target? Lucky man ;).

 

I like to keep any mavericks I have for SAM threats. If I know for sure there aren't any then I will use them on tanks.

 

I also misunderstood you before, I have done that mission if it's one of the quick missions. I've managed it more than once without rearming. I don't know if it was the east georgia one but there essentially the same mission if I remember correctly. I used my usual tactic, gun for tanks and trucks, rockets for infantry, bombs for bridges and mavericks for nasty threats.

Edited May 1, 2011 by Sinky

[RodBorza]

Psit,

 

This Instant Action Easy Georgia Spring is a very good mission to learn and relearn all the Hogs weapons and modes of employment. I've lost count of how many times I did that mission just to learn.

 

There are two good videos on You Tube by 636castle showing his tactics for that mission.

Check-them here (Part1):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kZE_qPjQU

 

and here (Part 2):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhcadmDT5fk

[JetBLASTER]

Hi everyone need help .On Instant Action Easy Georgia Spring the GBU 12 only work on CCIP mode for me , soon I change for GBU-82 the CCRP mode start work . Need to know what I'M doing wrong .I very appreciated any adviser .All the best to all .

Love DC A10 Warthog

[PhiXX]

Hi everyone need help .On Instant Action Easy Georgia Spring the GBU 12 only work on CCIP mode for me , soon I change for GBU-82 the CCRP mode start work . Need to know what I'M doing wrong .I very appreciated any adviser .All the best to all .

Love DC A10 Warthog

you don't change the way of weapon employment by the master mode button (if I'm not mistaking this is what the button is called, where you can change modes from gun/ccrp/ccip) but instead by changing the mode in the corresponding DSMS menu belonging to the specific weapon, in your case gbu-12.

The jdams can only be employed in ccrp, this is why it works without making a change in the firstplace

[Sinky]

you don't change the way of weapon employment by the master mode button (if I'm not mistaking this is what the button is called, where you can change modes from gun/ccrp/ccip) but instead by changing the mode in the corresponding DSMS menu belonging to the specific weapon, in your case gbu-12.

The jdams can only be employed in ccrp, this is why it works without making a change in the firstplace

 

I'm able to change from CCIP to CCRP with no problems. I think he just forgot to set up his GBU-12 profile so that it defaulted to CCRP, like you said.

 

On the ground I always set up GBU-12's profile into CCRP with auto lase turned on at 12 seconds.

[BTTW-DratsaB]

What's the reasoning behind the Laser guided bombs being set to CCIP by default? I always have to modify the profile to CCRP too.

[AgentD]

What's the reasoning behind the Laser guided bombs being set to CCIP by default? I always have to modify the profile to CCRP too.

 

I believe CCIP is the default release mode for any weapon capable of both CCIP and CCRP. LGBs are capable of being dropped in CCIP but JDAMS are not hence the default being CCRP?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[BTTW-DratsaB]

Hi AgentD, welcome to the Forum.

 

I guess I should ask why would a laser guided bomb be dropped in CCIP mode. Thinking about it, my guess is so you could still use it with out the laser. eg through cloud or bad weather? Perhaps I'm incorrect by associating release mode with guidance mode. They are independent of each other? EG it would be normal enough to drop and LGB in CCIP mode? As soon as I think PGM is start thinking CCRP

Edited May 3, 2011 by BTTW-DratsaB

[AgentD]

Hi and thanks :)

 

Hi AgentD, welcome to the Forum.

They are independent of each other? EG it would be normal enough to drop and LGB in CCIP mode? As soon as I think PGM is start thinking CCRP

 

Yep, that's how I see it. Release mode is entirely independent of any post release guidance. You can indeed drop GBUs in CCIP, and then still lase them in. JDAMs for whatever reason will only do CCRP.

[JetBLASTER]

Thanks lots PhiXX,Sinki and all involved I very appreciate .

All the best to all.

Love DC A10 C Warthog.

[kharne]

This is probably a stupid question, but how do you drop to LGB's back to back? I thought you would have to lase each one all the way to impact (or a good bit at least) so I don't understand how you could drop a second before the first one hits.

 

Can someone explain that to me please? Thanks :)

 

Also, I have been dropping LGB's that are set to CCIP by default by switching the master mode to CCRP. They have worked fine so far.

[genbrien]

you can drop multiple LGB(gbu-10/12) at the same time(not sure if you can drop more than 2 at once though....), but they will lase and impact the same target. Go in the DSMS and set their profle to pairs instead of single(PRS instead of SGL)

Edited May 21, 2011 by genbrien

[Inseckt]

Hey guys, i did a quick search but i didnt find any info.

 

Is there a way we can have a list of all bomb types and whats the optimal way of using them concerning ccip and ccrp targeting.

 

The tutorials dont help much with all the different types of bombs.

 

... and what the hell is up with the damned gbu 12 (i think) cant hit a thing with it using ccip

 

help ! :pilotfly:

 

I made this up real quick, a chart showing the munitions in respect to warhead and guidance. Type of guidance wil give further clues as to CCIP vs. CCRP... Hope it helps, I for sure needed it in the beginning, its alot of unintuitive numbers/letters to remember:)

 

Ps. Training and inert munitions is left out.

LBMC.pdf

[kharne]

you can drop multiple LGB at the same time(not sure if you can drop more than 2 at once though....), but they will lase and impact the same target. Go in the DSMS and set their profle to pairs instead of single(PRS instead of SGL)

 

Mission part 1 of 2

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kZE_qPjQU

 

5:00

 

He sets steerpoint mode to markpoints, so he can cycle two targets, slave the TGP, "easily switch targets and drop two GBU-38s on one pass".

 

I don't understand how that works.

[Shez]

He used GB 38's for that pass. they are gps guided. No laser needed. So he could drop on one then switch to the other and drop on that. I love how he used mark points to set it up. I'm still learning how to do all that snazzy stuff. Task saturation sets in a and I get lost real quick lol

[kharne]

He used GB 38's for that pass. they are gps guided. No laser needed. So he could drop on one then switch to the other and drop on that. I love how he used mark points to set it up. I'm still learning how to do all that snazzy stuff. Task saturation sets in a and I get lost real quick lol

 

Thanks! :thumbup:

 

Knew I was missing something on that. Still getting used to the different weapon types... I haven't messed with those too much yet.