NWS hard to control on runway

[fael097]

I always have a hard time trying to keep the centerline when taking off. my controller is a thrustmaster t-flight hotas x, i can controll the rudder with stick twist or a boat switch behind the throttle, the two controls have different sensitivities, but i have trouble with any of them. its reall frustrating, such a simple task like taking off often ends up exploding my front gear tire, what will coplicate my landing later.

 

idk what to do to make it better

 

i was thinking perhaps the plane oversteer itself while on the runway?

[sobek]

Turn off NWS >60-70kts and steer with the rudder. Standard takeoff procedure.

[Nu-NRG]

I've set the slider handle on my TM WH thorttle to rudder control. It was really messy to steer with that untill I played with CURVATURES in the options. And make shure you set NWS off at 60-70 GS kts. I went back to Z and X keys and my pedals will arrive somewhere around 10th :P

[Zenra]

Definitely want to set the axis curvature as others have said. Also, if there is a cross wind, you will want to add a bit of aileron into the wind after disengaging nose wheel steering.

[ErichVon]

I always have a hard time trying to keep the centerline when taking off. my controller is a thrustmaster t-flight hotas x, i can controll the rudder with stick twist or a boat switch behind the throttle, the two controls have different sensitivities, but i have trouble with any of them. its reall frustrating, such a simple task like taking off often ends up exploding my front gear tire, what will coplicate my landing later.

 

idk what to do to make it better

 

i was thinking perhaps the plane oversteer itself while on the runway?

 

Not sure if this will help, but this is what I did to mine.

 

I fine tuned my CH Pro Pedals in the CH Control Manager widget (sorry, don't remember its name) but it is like a modified sine wave curve; then I also fine tuned in the games OPTIONS, then CONTROLS area---you can fine tune it there, too in A-10C's game. It seems to compliment each other and not negate it.

 

I find with rudder pedals, especially steering with them, bare feet is best, socks next best and no sudden moves. I velcroed my pedals to the linoleum floor with velcro sticky tape. If a rug, I'd get plastic sheet like to an office supply store. Or screw the velcro mating tape into the floor.

 

I hit the steering button to off when I hit 80 knots, then if necessary, I use rudders to stay straight until nosewheel is off runway. I do not pull my stick back until I'm doing 160 knots or so.

 

I do miss my old twisty stick for rudder control. Transitioning to pedals is not so easy.

 

You should try Aces High's F-4U WWII era prop plane, taking off on the aircraft carrier while it is turning!!

 

Erich

Edited May 3, 2011 by ErichVon

[Cibit]

I always have a hard time trying to keep the centerline when taking off. my controller is a thrustmaster t-flight hotas x, i can controll the rudder with stick twist or a boat switch behind the throttle, the two controls have different sensitivities, but i have trouble with any of them. its reall frustrating, such a simple task like taking off often ends up exploding my front gear tire, what will coplicate my landing later.

 

idk what to do to make it better

 

i was thinking perhaps the plane oversteer itself while on the runway?

 

Put a deadzone into the axis of maybe 5% this will help you not oversteer so much. Add a little curvature to the axis and practise with the twist stick.

Brighter folk than me have posted to stop NWS at 60 or 70. I personally change to rudder control as soon as it goes to 51 on the HUD speedometer(?) this corresponds with the little blue ball with yellow legs on the left of the HUD:)

 

Sorry for my lack of terminology its been a long day and the brain is rebooting;)

[Nu-NRG]

51 on the HUD speedometer(?)

IAS by default unless set otherwise. I usually switch to GS via IFFCC test menu or better yet, switch CDU to POS and select GS

And get some rest :P

[fael097]

cant turn NWS off. i'm usually pointing to the side of the runway when im at 70kts. if i turn it off, it becomes almost impossibly to regain centerline. srsly, its almost like a kid driving a car, you go to a side and to the other, but no way to keep center line. perhaps my controller is too sensitive?

[Frederf]

Nose wheel steering didn't used to be this way. Back in earlier versions it was more stable. It got a lot more squirrely around the release version. It just doesn't seem right now.

[NoJoe]

cant turn NWS off. i'm usually pointing to the side of the runway when im at 70kts. if i turn it off, it becomes almost impossibly to regain centerline. srsly, its almost like a kid driving a car, you go to a side and to the other, but no way to keep center line. perhaps my controller is too sensitive?

 

Yes, it sounds like your controller may be a bit too sensitive. I have an X52 Pro that twists for rudder control, and I found adding some curvature helped it. I also added a little deadzone because it's a bit worn out and was giving me trouble. Here's what I set:

 

Curvature of 15

Deadzone of 2

 

Once you get that set, it sounds like you might just need some practice steering the plane with the NSW/rudders. Ideally if you find yourself on the left side of the runway you want to point your nose only a tiny bit to the right of the centerline. Generally, you just want to keep the plane pointed straight at the far end of the runway. A tiny amount of correction back to the other side will help get you back on centerline, but don't point the jet off the side of the runway to get back there. Just remember to only point the jet as far as the pavement at the other end of the runway. If you find yourself pointing off into the grass, you've overcorrected.

 

And don't overcorrect; that's what is making you veer left and right. Instead, make a small correction, then center the controls and wait a moment to see if it helped. You might even consider making a correction then taking your hand away from the stick momentarily. If you need more, give it another small correction and wait to see if it helps.

 

This is the same technique I teach Real Life pilots who are having trouble with steering a plane on the ground with rudders.

 

Overall I think the Nose Wheel Steering in the sim is just fine. But then again, I've never flown at A-10 in Real Life! :smilewink:

 

--NoJoe

[mckee14]

i use these settings for the axis, with less it was impossible to steer during takeoff... https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/27976781/1/temp?h=09936c

[fael097]

yep, its pretty much impossible for me to steer aswell. i added 25 curvature, but only helped a little. will try what you said.

 

anyone knows how to remove wind? it seems to have too much effect on the aircraft.

[Nu-NRG]

Edit the mission and set the parameters

[patricio_z]

Differential braking helps a lot for making small correction on take off, at least for me

[ErichVon]

cant turn NWS off. i'm usually pointing to the side of the runway when im at 70kts. if i turn it off, it becomes almost impossibly to regain centerline. srsly, its almost like a kid driving a car, you go to a side and to the other, but no way to keep center line. perhaps my controller is too sensitive?

 

Clear out your Joystick folder, clear out your OPTIONS CONTROLS pre-sets, re-map your stick is what I had to do to fix my problem.

 

Your mileage may vary.

 

I use CH gear.

 

Erich

:pilotfly:

[fael097]

ok cool. last question. can i disable the wind on campaign mission files? eg, it wont affect the campaign, and i'll be able to complete it normally?

[RodBorza]

Yes, you cann. apparently no problems fo r the campaign.

 

See this tread:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=73194

 

Zamboni says the following right at the first post:

 

3) Forgot that I got rid of the dynamic weather in the mission (was thinking that it was one of the reasons why .trk files didn't play back right). So this mission has clear skies and 0 wind.