multiplayer servers and passwards

Heli Shed · May 19, 2011

Don't worry, the 104th Phoenix will place soon a DEDICATED server for the DCS A-10C online, where people can join. And yes, we have admins who are been able to deal with those kiddys.

I see, some people totally overate the issue with "TK`s" and make a story out of it, I guess some of the DCS A-10C Sqn`s are new, and maybe not used to it, like the old FC SQn`s. But thats what it is on the start from a new product, you get new customers and new clients for the community, soo, that means some of those funny kind of "TK`s" need to learn, how it runs or how to behave on a public server.

Speaking as a admin over ages, in FC for example, last months around 900 players listed on our stats, and we have just few issues really. And this works only by showing them how to act on a server or he gets banned for a while, and finally, all know, ok, you cant mess around here. But locking a "server" in this case, dosent help, if you wanna fly alone its ok, but I guess nothing for me....

Mogas, hi mate.

If you think for a minute that having an open server is not going to bring you problems serving DCS A-10C, think again. FC2 is not available on steam. FC2 is nowhere near the same sort of sim as DCS A-10c, neither is it nearly as complex for the pilot. Locking a server down with the TS info in the mission description is the ONLY answer to ensure that not neccessarily idiots, but those people who dont want to go on TS and add to their SA, enter the server and screw it for others.

To champion the 104th by saying that you have masses of experience of dealing with ídiots' (bearing in mind i`m from the 104th and even now still champion them despite my own very successfull vfs), is a little disheartening. So, when the runway, even from multiple airfields are trashed, you just gonna restart the mission and ruin it for others who have spent hours getting so far? No mike, of course not. But then again, you will have no choice.

Ban them? a little harsh don't ya think? most are just trying to learn how to actually FLY and think that their first step is to go MP. WRONG. RTFM, Fly SP to a reasonable standard and then utilise the ATO for further progression (to the rather shallow post of the OP).

If the illusion of a successfull vfs is by virtue of how many people are flying on a server, then to hell with it, mass co-ordination and actual MP imersion, open it without a password, and see what happens! Currently, any vfs could open their DEDICATED (yes we have a co-lo and deciated, like many others) server for DCS A-10C and it is full within minutes. if numbers are your game, crack on!

How about the 104th contributing to the ATO system. Happy to help, of course i am, but you cant make a horse drink if he fears water!

'T'

Heli Shed · May 19, 2011

Ah this is simple... right now flying DCS is pretty much like doing coop missions... once the DCS have some fighters and there can be oposition fighters people will unlock their servers as they need other people to fly against :smilewink:

Kuky, slightly dissapointing.

No pvp in DCS A-10C?????? you joking right?

HiJack · May 19, 2011

I used to run a open dedicated DCS server for the community but I stopped doing that after a "A-10C bird" showed up behind me and gunned me down. I have hes game GUID and he will for all eteanity be banned from my server when ServMan is capable of holding these hooligans out.

(HJ)

S77th-konkussion · May 19, 2011

There are TK'ers out there. It can get a bit exaggerated on this board. One guy has a bad night, and others feel the need to pile on for post count, etc... The TK'er problem has already been covered nicely.

If you have a problem such as a dumb ass blocking the runway in the server or some other issue other than a teamkiller..

"Hey xxxx You are blocking the runway- get out of the way right now or your night in here is over. " (Chances are good someone else will have already asked this person to move, and got an attitude in return)

If you're in charge- then take charge. No reason to pussyfoot around with an idiot.

You can say "that's rude" all you want. I don't care. I don't have many repeat problems in my squadron's servers. In fact- several of the people who have taken a little wrath fly with us all the time now. Call it tough love.

Whoops forgot main point: This is why the servers are locked- with password info on their TS or on websites. Forcing TS on clients is a very effective filter. They are doing it for the good folk's protection- so quitcherbitchin. That said- I would suggest admins to follow Tyger's model and put the passwords on TS. Don't make them hunt for it on your websites..

Edited May 19, 2011 by S77th-konkussion

bengo · May 19, 2011

Of course, all those who are complaining about passworded servers can always start their own un-passworded server.

Boberro · May 19, 2011

Yup, especially where we have new ServMan which takes care of most things via users power of Votekick\Voteban... and slight problem is solved.

HiJack · May 19, 2011

Yup, especially where we have new ServMan which takes care of most things via users power of Votekick\Voteban... and slight problem is solved.

Have you tested the Kick/Ban features and got them to work with the new ServMan release? I tested it but did not work :(

Boberro · May 19, 2011

No I didn't, it would be weird if ServMan didn't have working such features oO

Maybe it is only related to you? Did you ask someone else?

Panzertard · May 19, 2011

Have you tested the Kick/Ban features and got them to work with the new ServMan release? I tested it but did not work :(

If you have problems with it, give me a hint (and some logs) down in the servman thread and I'll have a look-see.

HiJack · May 19, 2011

But I already did Panzer ;) post number 20 in ServMan thread

Panzertard · May 19, 2011

Doh sorry, Ofc you did. I confused it with another issue - too much things going on atm.

HiJack · May 19, 2011

Doh sorry, Ofc you did. I confused it with another issue - too much things going on atm.

I know Panzer, no problem. It is important that testers make good testing of the next DCS patch. Just do it when time allows ;)

imac12 · May 19, 2011

Of course, all those who are complaining about passworded servers can always start their own un-passworded server.

But then what would they have to bitch about? :)

MoGas · May 20, 2011

Mogas, hi mate.

If you think for a minute that having an open server is not going to bring you problems serving DCS A-10C, think again. FC2 is not available on steam. FC2 is nowhere near the same sort of sim as DCS A-10c, neither is it nearly as complex for the pilot. Locking a server down with the TS info in the mission description is the ONLY answer to ensure that not neccessarily idiots, but those people who dont want to go on TS and add to their SA, enter the server and screw it for others.

To champion the 104th by saying that you have masses of experience of dealing with ídiots' (bearing in mind i`m from the 104th and even now still champion them despite my own very successfull vfs), is a little disheartening. So, when the runway, even from multiple airfields are trashed, you just gonna restart the mission and ruin it for others who have spent hours getting so far? No mike, of course not. But then again, you will have no choice.

Ban them? a little harsh don't ya think? most are just trying to learn how to actually FLY and think that their first step is to go MP. WRONG. RTFM, Fly SP to a reasonable standard and then utilise the ATO for further progression (to the rather shallow post of the OP).

If the illusion of a successfull vfs is by virtue of how many people are flying on a server, then to hell with it, mass co-ordination and actual MP imersion, open it without a password, and see what happens! Currently, any vfs could open their DEDICATED (yes we have a co-lo and deciated, like many others) server for DCS A-10C and it is full within minutes. if numbers are your game, crack on!

How about the 104th contributing to the ATO system. Happy to help, of course i am, but you cant make a horse drink if he fears water!

'T'

Tyger, hi mate.

I never have said that you will have no problems on a open server, I just said, that we have good admins, and they are most of the time around, to watch via VNC on the server, thats all, there is no differents of screwing up a FC2.0 server or a DCS server....it makes no differents, many times seen already..If a kid is online..

Why is it disheartening if i say we have experience with dealing with idiots? Its not a lie, since 2005 most of the 104th/169th are admins....Well if a idiot is able to destroy your map as you like to say, then, well, where is the admin? And really how many times this is happening...

We have six to seven admins, in all timezones for that reason...

Again, we are not banning someone for the lack of skill, thats rong! We ban those few idiots with the purpose of killing the own guys...And since when you use the word "harsh" lol, I remember you as the "Tyger" and not as "Kitty Cat" ;)

Well, I guess it is the differents between fighter guys and bomber guys. I need people on the server, its my own view on it (not speaking for the 104th). I cant imageing to fly or fight the hole day aginst AI units. A fight against a human, its much more interresting, to see what tactics are used against you, and to use the right tactics against him...But I guess in this point we have a totally different view on it, it dosent matter...I hope for a multierole DCS module next, soo, I can cover your a.. on a open server..;)

For the ATO, yes, we look into it...I give you a call...:)

:joystick:

Edited May 20, 2011 by MoGas

EtherealN · May 20, 2011

Have you tested the Kick/Ban features and got them to work with the new ServMan release? I tested it but did not work :(

I sabotaged that function on purpose to ensure that I'll not get kicked for TKing Panzer. :D

Cali · May 20, 2011

I love going into servers and tking people, it's fun to drop bombs and rocket them as they sit on the ground. It's even better to fly formation with them and then all of a sudden crash into them :D :music_whistling:

Hope this gets fixed if it's not working.

Edited May 20, 2011 by Cali

Boberro · May 20, 2011

hahah :D

MoGas · May 20, 2011

lol

Heli Shed · May 20, 2011

Tyger, hi mate.

I never have said that you will have no problems on a open server, I just said, that we have good admins, and they are most of the time around, to watch via VNC on the server, thats all, there is no differents of screwing up a FC2.0 server or a DCS server....it makes no differents, many times seen already..If a kid is online..

Why is it disheartening if i say we have experience with dealing with idiots? Its not a lie, since 2005 most of the 104th/169th are admins....Well if a idiot is able to destroy your map as you like to say, then, well, where is the admin? And really how many times this is happening...
We have six to seven admins, in all timezones for that reason...

Again, we are not banning someone for the lack of skill, thats rong! We ban those few idiots with the purpose of killing the own guys...And since when you use the word "harsh" lol, I remember you as the "Tyger" and not as "Kitty Cat" ;)

Well, I guess it is the differents between fighter guys and bomber guys. I need people on the server, its my own view on it (not speaking for the 104th). I cant imageing to fly or fight the hole day aginst AI units. A fight against a human, its much more interresting, to see what tactics are used against you, and to use the right tactics against him...But I guess in this point we have a totally different view on it, it dosent matter...I hope for a multierole DCS module next, soo, I can cover your a.. on a open server..;)

For the ATO, yes, we look into it...I give you a call...:)

:joystick:

Mogas, doesnt matter how many admins you have on an open server, you WILL have to restart the mission when all the TK'ing and F****** about happens.

Idiots i dont have time for, i`m still the same Tyger and eat kitty cats for lunch. Somone flies into me on purpose or shoots taxiing members and they get there ass banned immediatly.

Cali · May 20, 2011

Guess it's time to buy A-10C...........:music_whistling:

MoGas · May 20, 2011

Mogas, doesnt matter how many admins you have on an open server, you WILL have to restart the mission when all the TK'ing and F****** about happens.

Idiots i dont have time for, i`m still the same Tyger and eat kitty cats for lunch. Somone flies into me on purpose or shoots taxiing members and they get there ass banned immediatly.

well, anyway Tyger, but I was right about that you are still the Tyger what I know...

:thumbup:

Cali · May 20, 2011

You guys gonna get a room?

Cibit · May 20, 2011

You guys gonna get a room?

You wanna watch :smilewink:

and yes you need to get A10 we can show you how the aim 9 works :thumbup:

Ells228 · May 20, 2011

Apologies about my server (read pc hosting) not being open for last few days, I was training 3 of my team mates in basic weapons and formation flying and didn't want visitors taking out the targets I had designated.

I was also testing 1.1.0.8 patch so it was up and down a lot.

If it's not critical to be "closed", I'll keep it open in future.

104th_Crunch · May 20, 2011

If the illusion of a successfull vfs is by virtue of how many people are flying on a server...

Not a measure of success of a VFS, a measure of success of a MP server that is meant to be enjoyed by people as much as possible to expand the community. Of course that is one squad's objective, and we know others, such as yourself have other goals. Like highly detailed co-op with no shmucks around to mess it up.

Kuky, slightly dissapointing.

No pvp in DCS A-10C?????? you joking right?

I am going to kick myself in the ass for agreeing with Kuky, but I said the same thing as Kuky (now I am kicking my ass lol). Yes, you can fight PvP in A-10, but it is not designed for A2A and is severely limited in that regard. Real PvP will be with Fighter Jets, and as MoGas stated, you want to encourage friendly competition and a strong player base with PvP. I am fairly confident, once we have DCS:Fighter, the number of unlocked servers will increase.

In the end though there are pros and cons for locking servers. We all have our preferences.

Edited May 20, 2011 by Crunch

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