Su-27, Su-33 or MiG-29?

[GGTharos]

Right.

[104th_Cobra]

The MiG-29 bleeds energy fast when turning, it must be managed accordingly. If used on an angles fight it can surprise any opponent. I normally use that on a nose to nose head-on turn.

It has an inferior radar, projected to be used with GCI. But, if used with team work (splits, drags, hooks..), or individually with energy fight, boom and zooms, using the very good acceleration and climb performance, it can be as dangerous as any other fighter.

The MiG disadvantages are what make me appreciate flying it :)

[Vekkinho]

I second that, MiG can whoop lots of asses in MP!

[HiJack]

If I will go online with my Su-33 it will most lightly be on the 51st server as they have done quite some effort in evening out the battle. But for now I'm enjoying shooting down AI. There are several players successfully flying the Su-33 on the 51st server. Check out their stats ;)

 

(HJ)

[HiJack]

Just a quick question again. I'm sure there is an explanation on the forum somewhere but my serch suddenly don't seem to work. What is the difference on the MiG-29's (MiG-29S, MiG-29A and MiG-29G). I'l be setting up training missions against all three.

 

(HJ)

[Vekkinho]

MiG-29G = MiG-29A in terms of payload, avionics and performance, imperial HUD units;

MiG-29S - R-77 option (RL questionable), slightly more fuel, integrated ECM, same performance as MiG-29A

[FLANKERATOR]

The MiG in FC2 is certainly not the best platform to fly, but I guess that makes sense since it's not meant to be an air superiority fighter. But once again, in a public and open MP server, and if used the right way, the MiG can hold its own and even score some kills on unaware targets. It's a real pleasure to fly that aircraft, the acceleration can put out of trouble most of the time and you can chase almost anything and everything and close in for a kill real fast. So if you like the quote "Speed is life", you will appreciate the mighty MiG in FC2.

 

It's a bit out of topic but it would be interesting to see what people would give as performance indexes for FC2 fighters in an MP server.

In my opinion, the F-15C would logically have an index of 1 as it's undoubtfully the best fighter in FC2, meaning every point earned when flying the F-15 worth 1 point. how would you estimate indexes for the Flankers and the MiG's...? I would roughly give 1.1 for the Su-27 with R-77, 1.15 for the Su-33 with R-77, 1.20 for the MiG-29S/G(with 120B) and Flankers with no ARH missiles, maybe 1.4 for the MiG-29A/G....Just an estimation, would appreciate more feedback.

[Case]

It's a bit out of topic but it would be interesting to see what people would give as performance indexes for FC2 fighters in an MP server.

 

Just look at the aircraft air-to-air kill-to-death ratio on the 51st stats page and let the statistics of almost 20000 air-to-air kills show you how they compare.

 

Not surprisingly the fact that the MiG-29S can carry ARH's means that in a lonewolf dominated MP environment it is only beaten by the F-15.

 

Or if you want to use your rating:

1. F-15C: 1.00
   
2. MiG-29S: 1.04
   
3. Su-27: 1.29
   
4. Su-33: 1.39
   
5. MiG-29G: 2.02
   
6. MiG-29A: 2.78
   

[Pilotasso]

Did you filter out 80's missions? because if you did not that logic can become a little fuzzy. :)

 

Personally, some of the highest scores I got in 51st was during such events.

[HiJack]

Damn, having troubble dealing with MiG-29G loaded with AIM-120B using the Su-33 with R-27R, R-27ER and R-73. Also loaded with ECM. Need to do that ower a couple of times tomorrow ;)

 

(HJ)

[RIPTIDE]

Damn, having troubble dealing with MiG-29G loaded with AIM-120B using the Su-33 with R-27R, R-27ER and R-73. Also loaded with ECM. Need to do that ower a couple of times tomorrow ;)

 

(HJ)

What are you doing with R-27R? What trouble with MiG-29G?

[FLANKERATOR]

Just look at the aircraft air-to-air kill-to-death ratio on the 51st stats page and let the statistics of almost 20000 air-to-air kills show you how they compare.

 

Not surprisingly the fact that the MiG-29S can carry ARH's means that in a lonewolf dominated MP environment it is only beaten by the F-15.

 

Or if you want to use your rating:

1. F-15C: 1.00
   
2. MiG-29S: 1.04
   
3. Su-27: 1.29
   
4. Su-33: 1.39
   
5. MiG-29G: 2.02
   
6. MiG-29A: 2.78
   

 

Thanks Case, that's exactly what I was looking for and the final rating makes sense really. It would be interesting to see how the Flankers will rank with R-77's, and also as Pilotasso pointed out, when applying 80's weapons filter.

[Cali]

The 29 is a deadly fighter, it's small and hard to see. It has R-73's, R-77's and that's a deadly combo. Yes, it has a sucky radar and low fuel compared to other aircraft. Even with those restrictions it is very good and can fly for a long time. No need to use AB that much unless you are in a bind and need to get out of a bad situation fast! As pointed out many times before, each jet has it's pros and cons. All it takes is practice to become good at any of them.

[Kuky]

What are you doing with R-27R? What trouble with MiG-29G?

 

R-27 is actually better then R-27ER once you get within 15km so it's not a bad idea at all to carry 1-2 of them in combination with R-27ER's. You fire ER's at longer range and as you get closer and if you can dodge the enemy's missiles R-27 comes in very handy at that middle range fight... and if they dodge that also R-27T/ET and R-73 can finish the job... if they dodge them also, well you have a good pilot against you... at least have good chance in dogfight as Flanker is good against the Eagle there.

[Cali]

R-27 is actually better then R-27ER once you get within 15km so it's not a bad idea at all to carry 1-2 of them in combination with R-27ER's. You fire ER's at longer range and as you get closer and if you can dodge the enemy's missiles R-27 comes in very handy at that middle range fight... and if they dodge that also R-27T/ET and R-73 can finish the job... if they dodge them also, well you have a good pilot against you... at least have good chance in dogfight as Flanker is good against the Eagle there.

 

How come you never used 27R's when flying then :music_whistling:

[Kuky]

How come you never used 27R's when flying then :music_whistling:

 

I never got myself to make such payload... but now that you remind me I will :thumbup:

[Cali]

Have you tried Wolverine's extended payload mod? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=53643

[Boberro]

I don't see any advantages of using R instead of ER... By the time you come to ~ 15 km against MiG-29 or F-15 (even plane with ER)... you will be dead :]

[59th_Buncsi]

The MiG in FC2 is certainly not the best platform to fly, but I guess that makes sense since it's not meant to be an air superiority fighter.

 

The MiG-29A was planned to take-off - defeat enemy planes around the base - land. Well if somebody use it with this configuration, thats the deadliest combo :) In lockon its give back great, as we experienced in the CI day 1.

[Case]

Well if somebody use it with this configuration, thats the deadliest combo :) In lockon its give back great, as we experienced in the CI day 1.

Yeah, I vividly you guys defending Kershones and Belbek during CI with only MiG-29A's. It was fantastic to work with you guys when I was GCI on day 2.

[RIPTIDE]

I don't see any advantages of using R instead of ER... By the time you come to ~ 15 km against MiG-29 or F-15 (even plane with ER)... you will be dead :]

He's got a point. I disagree with 15km though... Its advantage IMO lies around the 7-10k mark. Similar to how 120B's seem to make the turns better at close range.

[HiJack]

What are you doing with R-27R? What trouble with MiG-29G?

It is killing me RIP ;)

 

Well I was trying the R-27R but will go with the ER version and try again but even with that the MiG-29G is in range befor me. I'l post a track later tonight if I get the time to fly some.

 

(HJ)

[Presing]

Hehehehe lot's of MiG-29 pilots talking :D

[MoGas]

He's got a point. I disagree with 15km though... Its advantage IMO lies around the 7-10k mark. Similar to how 120B's seem to make the turns better at close range.

 

Its more like 5-8km (R-27R is slow compare to any other SAHR), if the enemy is fast........, the R-27R is very chaff hungry, especially on the beam...., that fact, I would switch to the R-73, and you wait couple seconds more, and u make a silent kill.....One time I had a 20km Rmax kill on a Flanker with the R-27R the flyer chased a wingman, and he flew right into it, that was just luck, never seen it again in my case.....

 

So in case of flying MiG-29A/G you need to get below the 15km mark anyway, that means silents and stealthy all the way, sometimes you just made 2 kills, and you still have the two R-27R onboard....The preferd enemy is a F-15, needs to make noise to see something (no EOS) easy to notch, when merged dead piece of metal, HELMET, 4x R-73 ruins his day, and most F-15 driver merge with 3xTanks and 90% of ammo on it soo, dead he is...On a busy server where the SA is screwed by 20 nails, you need a wingman, with good radar, to be youre eyes and ears...otherwise, you get surprised by TWS AIM-120 spam`s from far, you have no ECM to block it from far, but anyway, 21 miles burnthrough from the F-15 is still far for you hehe.....To stay alive, is all about youre exit route, the Miggy, clean and light, no one can follow you for a short time, that means, 80-110km to youre base, and not more, then you can still run home with 2000kg fuel, and gate (40.000ft+), and you made it, its close but ok...

 

Worst enemy is MiG-29S, EOS, HELMET, R-73, ET`s and the NEZ shooter in this case R-77....Followed by the Flanker all like above, besides R-77 (regular server settings), and now a better merger then the MiG too, turns like crazy aginst you, in most cases, earlier in the HELMET zone, means useing Flare`s, and this is a - point for the Miggy as well, not much onboard too....

 

If I would use R-27R on a Flanker, I guess not, R-27ER and ET are still better, and if the enemy is not aware about you or eitherway at this range the ET is the right stick...

Edited June 10, 2011 by MoGas

[mikoyan]

The MiG gots its engines tuned as well; its acceleration profile is more lealistic, and for the most part, so is its ability to turn.

 

As for suffering - that's as it should be. Smaller platform, smaller radar, in general it isn't mean to compete head-on with air superiority fighters. The MiG-29 is a point-defense fighter and should be used differently.

 

I beg to differ; the mig should have better instantaneous turn rates; the real thing can point its nose like a hornet; probably to do that real pilots override the aoa limiter; we can't do that in lock-on. High aoa handling seems to be limited by the flight model.

 

play close attention from 1:40 we can't do those moves in lock-on; you have to be around 480 to 500 to try to match that type of pulls in lock-on. Look for example the pull at the beginning; the mig on the video has a fuel thank and is a two seater; the single seater is supposed to be a bit more agile.

 

embedding won't work try this link:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcNY-B1q-A&feature=related

 

or look this video; the real mig can clearly pull more than in lock-on :

 

Edited June 10, 2011 by mikoyan