New to DCS: Simple Avionics and Gun Mode

[Nerdwing]

Hey all :)

 

I'm currently using simple avionics settings and pressing "M" wont allow me to change into Gun Mode, etc while using Simple Avionics settings. Since that is by default connected to Switch Target or some such, I unassigned it but still dont get any effect when pressing M.

 

While this has ACTUALLY been productive as its resulted in me learning to use the gun in Sim avionics mode, Im still curious if there's any way to switch to the gun mode using simple avionics settings? Perhaps a key I can remap that will still be recognized in either difficulty setting?

 

Also this sim is fantastic, and I find flying around with my front landing gear stuck down and the others retracted while I try and find how to remedy the situation FAR too hilarious than I should :(

[nomdeplume]

I think 'D' is used to cycle weapons in game mode. I can't recall if there's a dedicated gun mode or not, but I think there is. Edit: no there doesn't seem to be, and after playing around I can't see any way to get an air-to-ground gun reticule to appear at all.

 

There won't be anything that does the same thing in both game and real mode, as they take very different approaches to weapon selection.

 

Edit 2: page 16 of the quickstart guide (page 17 of the PDF) says: "WPNS OFF - not selected weapon on station, the aiming reticle will display gun pipper." With 'weapons off' you get the air-to-air gun funnel, not an A-G pipper.

 

Edit 3: okay, I think this is a bug, but there is a workaround. You'll need to bind something to the 'HOTAS Master Mode' control which I think you've already done. In real mode the default keybind is 'M', which is used as one of the targeting keys in game mode. To get the gun pipper, use 'D' to cycle to 'wpns off' - it'll say "air-to-air" on the left console and you'll still have the air-to-air funnel showing. Then use the master mode key you bound to cycle until you get either GUNS or CCIP showing. Unfortunately the left console won't show your DSMS display for very long so you need to be quick! Once you're in the right mode, you'll have a circular reticule that indicates the impact point of your cannon's rounds.

 

Edit 4: attached a picture which might be easier to understand than the above.

Edited June 15, 2011 by nomdeplume

[STP Dragon]

:cry:

... it breaks my heart every time I read about....

 

 

 

GAME MODE

 

 

 

What a pity...

Please make yourselfe a favour and learn the sim mode.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask me or join our Newcomer-Training.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=73911

[Conure]

Great to hear you're enjoying it but...turn game mode off!! Otherwise you will pick up bad habits :)

[sungsam]

Nerd wing :), Challenge your self :book:, practice, become a pilot, get ready to get angly :smilewink:!

FORGET GAME MODE !

Read a lot, Ask everything !

Edited June 15, 2011 by sungsam

[MemphisBelle]

agreeing with all of those above. Turn off Game Mode and play the game as it is supposed to be.

The DCS is a Simulator. Game Mode is just an option for girlies or those who wants to become one...:D

 

read the manual,

If you´ve questions?...Ask

If you dont understand somethings?...ask

you´ve asked enough?...fly

 

Start with a certain thing. may be Start up, learn to taxi, learn Take off and a base round

learn aproach and landing.

 

After that, start to care about weapon systems...after a while you´ll get on a guy like you who might ask what you´ve asked before....believe me...you´ll tell him the same about what we told you here.

 

Start up issues?...check my sig..;)

 

have fun with the Sim and forget the Game ("pussie") Mode.

Edited June 15, 2011 by MemphisBelle

[Cibit]

Agreed with all the above you will get such satisfaction in learning how to in sim mode

So many helpful ppl in these forums you can't fail :)

[BimC]

Is there a SIM mode :megalol:

[Speed]

Christ! Let the guy play the game how he wants. Comments like "Game Mode is just an option for gilrlies or those who wants to become one..." are certainly not helpful, and could certainly be taken (rightfully so) as offensive. Sounds like to me, this guy is just dicking around in game mode till he learns the sim mode. What's wrong with that? Sure, I suppose the time he "wastes" on game mode might be used to learn the jet in sim mode instead, but hey, the time I "waste" watching TV or playing starcraft 2 with a RL friend might be spent working on all the scripting work I need to do. People need a fun, stupid escape sometimes.

Edited June 15, 2011 by Speed

[S77th-konkussion]

Look- these guys are not picking on you. If you have no intention of taking this to the next level- which means- "I'll start here and work my way up" Then by all means use the game mode and be happy.

 

 

If you think there is any chance of you wanting to learn anything more about the avionics, weapons employment, or any of it AT ALL--

 

DO your self a favor- kill the game mode. It will handicap your learning. Srsly.

[Nerdwing]

Lol thanks for the advice all :P I just have a twist-stick and no pedals, HOTAS, etc so I was using game mode to prevent having to memorize a plethora of hotkeys. I'll practice with Sim mode tonight though, Sim mode and gunnery seem easy enough at least!

[Nate--IRL--]

Christ! Let the guy play the game how he wants. Comments like "Game Mode is just an option for gilrlies or those who wants to become one..." are certainly not helpful, and could certainly be taken (rightfully so) as offensive. Sounds like to me, this guy is just dicking around in game mode till he learns the sim mode. What's wrong with that? Sure, I suppose the time he "wastes" on game mode might be used to learn the jet in sim mode instead, but hey, the time I "waste" watching TV or playing starcraft 2 with a RL friend might be spent working on all the scripting work I need to do. People need a fun, stupid escape sometimes.

 

Well said Sir.

 

Nate

[MemphisBelle]

Comments like "Game Mode is just an option for gilrlies or those who wants to become one..." are certainly not helpful, and could certainly be taken (rightfully so) as offensive.

 

They could...

If they stand alone and without any sign of beeing just a joke (e.g. a BIG FAT SMILY) ...and they also could if no further advices would be made about what one could do in a new environment....

The use of a little sarcasm doesnt hurt anyone...

 

Lol thanks for the advice all :P I just have a twist-stick and no pedals, HOTAS, etc so I was using game mode to prevent having to memorize a plethora of hotkeys. I'll practice with Sim mode tonight though, Sim mode and gunnery seem easy enough at least!

 

hehehe...please :D

 

what Joystick is it? Is it seperated into two devices like Stick and Throttle, or just a stick with mounted "throttle".

If you´ve got the possibility so I give you the advice to get a HOTAS Stick, at least a Saitek X52 (doesnt need to be the pro to have fun). And according to Game Mode...if you think about learning how to fly the Hog...do yourself a favour and dont learn the wrong things. The Aircraft can be handled even without HOTAS functuions, it´s a bit more complicated, but it works.

Edited June 15, 2011 by MemphisBelle

[Speed]

They could...

If they stand alone and without any sign of beeing just a joke (e.g. a BIG FAT SMILY) ...and they also could if no further advices would be made about what one could do in a new environment....

The use of a little sarcasm doesnt hurt anyone...

 

I understand, but the problem is sarcasm never comes across very well when it exists only in text. I've tried to mostly stop using it over forums and even over voice comms programs. People just don't get it alot of the time when I'm being sarcastic.

[Nerdwing]

hehehe...please :D

 

what Joystick is it? Is it seperated into two devices like Stick and Throttle, or just a stick with mounted "throttle".

If you´ve got the possibility so I give you the advice to get a HOTAS Stick, at least a Saitek X52 (doesnt need to be the pro to have fun). And according to Game Mode...if you think about learning how to fly the Hog...do yourself a favour and dont learn the wrong things. The Aircraft can be handled even without HOTAS functuions, it´s a bit more complicated, but it works.

 

Logitech 3d Pro is my stick, picked it up about two years ago at Best Buy. The rudder is a bit twitchy on it, even when idle, but I figure some Deadzone can make up for that flaw. I'll take a look into setting it up tonight :)

[Conure]

Christ! Let the guy play the game how he wants. Comments like "Game Mode is just an option for gilrlies or those who wants to become one..." are certainly not helpful, and could certainly be taken (rightfully so) as offensive. Sounds like to me, this guy is just dicking around in game mode till he learns the sim mode. What's wrong with that? Sure, I suppose the time he "wastes" on game mode might be used to learn the jet in sim mode instead, but hey, the time I "waste" watching TV or playing starcraft 2 with a RL friend might be spent working on all the scripting work I need to do. People need a fun, stupid escape sometimes.

 

I entirely disagree with what you say here. My comment was not offensive in the least; simply, advice to reap maximum benefit from the game. Whilst it may not be a scientific fact that game mode is significantly less enjoyable than sim mode, the vast majority of DCS players would agree that it is a waste of time.

 

Game mode seems at first glance, to be a light way into the sim. In truth it is not, as it is so far displaced from simulation mode that it teaches nothing.

 

I think if anything, people advising him of that was for his own benefit rather than their own elitism.

 

To the OP - you won't need a HOTAS for learning the basics in sim mode! I learnt most of the game on a Cyborg Evo!

[Nate--IRL--]

Logitech 3d Pro is my stick, picked it up about two years ago at Best Buy. The rudder is a bit twitchy on it, even when idle, but I figure some Deadzone can make up for that flaw. I'll take a look into setting it up tonight :)

 

Seems to be a popular stick, I have one too. This is how I set mine up.

 

Don't worry that you don't understand what all the things are, that will come with time, just know the stick you have is perfectly adequate for Warthog.

 

.... I use the 6 buttons on the Left as Modifier buttons (Similar to a CTRL or ALT button) so that ......

 

Button 1 = Cannon

Button 2 = Weapon Release

Button 3 = Nvgs

Button 5 = NWS

Button 4 or 6 = China Hat

 

Edit:- to make it clearer, Buttons 7-12 are on the base of the Joystick, 1-6 are on the stick.

 

Hat = Slew

Button 7 + Hat = Trim

Button 8 + Hat = Coolie Hat

Button 9 + Hat = DMS

Button 10 + Hat = TMS

Button 12 + Hat = CMS

Button 7 + Button 2 = Master Mode cycle

Button 7 + Button 3 or 4 = Zoom

Button 7 + Button 5 or 6 = Speed Brakes

Button 8 + Button 4 = Autopilot

Button 8 + Button 3 or 5 = Boat Switch

Button 9 + Button 3, 5 or 6 = Pinkie switch

Button 10 + Button 3, 5 or 6 = Mic Switch

Button 12 + Button 2 = CMS Z-axis

 

This is from memory so I may have left one or two things out.

 

Nate

[RAF74_Raptor]

I understand, but the problem is sarcasm never comes across very well when it exists only in text. I've tried to mostly stop using it over forums and even over voice comms programs. People just don't get it alot of the time when I'm being sarcastic.

 

 

You Sarcastic never.....

[RAF74_Raptor]

Now that I have had my fun poking at speed. I agree with him however I also agree that if you want to experience the best that this Sim is might I reccomend turning game mode off. Trust me you will never look back.

[Nerdwing]

Oh, rest assured Im playing it exclusively with Sim Avionics now :)

[Nu-NRG]

Oh, rest assured Im playing it exclusively with Sim Avionics now :)

See. It's not that hard.

 

Thing with game mode is that you will be learning twice. Once for game mode and once for sim :D

I must admit that sim mode sounded kinda scary at first. After biting in to it well ... I just love it today.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Nu-NRG

[STP Dragon]

...the time I "waste" watching TV or playing starcraft 2 with a RL friend might be spent working on all the scripting work I need to do.

:crazy: WHAAAT?! You are not working 24/7 on your scripting work?!

MOVE and go on with your work NOW! :director:

 

... just kidding. :prop:

[kingneptune117]

it seems as if arcade mode is harder than sim mode for most people.

[VFA41_Lion]

That's because there's zero documentation on it. I've figured out most of it through trial and error.