Black Shark 2 Flight Model Updates

[EinsteinEP]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1321466&postcount=1

Adjusted rotor effects for the Ka-50 flight model

 

OK, I'm intrigued. What parts of the flight model were changed/tweaked/updated?

[Griffin]

There was a request by real life pilots to check the flight model as the autorotation seemed too easy for them. IIRC AlphaOneSix found that the rotor seemed to be too effective and guess the code was tweaked to be more realistic. People have reported that she's more affected by wind and the feel is a bit different now. I haven't had time to fly the new Shark yet but really eager to test out all these sweet new features and tweaks! :)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1267135&postcount=6

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1275805&postcount=31

[Yo-Yo]

There was a request by real life pilots to check the flight model as the autorotation seemed too easy for them. IIRC AlphaOneSix found that the rotor seemed to be too effective and guess the code was tweaked to be more realistic. People have reported that she's more affected by wind and the feel is a bit different now. I haven't had time to fly the new Shark yet but really eager to test out all these sweet new features and tweaks! :)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1267135&postcount=6

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1275805&postcount=31

 

It's only a placebo effect.

 

The changes were made deeply in the rotor mechanics, a minor mistake in vertical hinges were found.

 

As a result the angular movement became more sharp in initial acceleration while the general damping in angular movement even increased a little bit. It was THE ONLY change we made.

These changes do not affect on any other aspects of the flight model.

[Griffin]

Very interesting. Thanks for your work!

[EtherealN]

And that's the post I'll link to whenever someone doubts the detail level of the DCS flight models. :D

[EinsteinEP]

It's only a placebo effect.

 

The changes were made deeply in the rotor mechanics, a minor mistake in vertical hinges were found.

 

As a result the angular movement became more sharp in initial acceleration while the general damping in angular movement even increased a little bit. It was THE ONLY change we made.

These changes do not affect on any other aspects of the flight model.

Fantastic, Yo-Yo! Thank you for the clarification! A+ work, as always.

[Bushmanni]

It's only a placebo effect.

 

The changes were made deeply in the rotor mechanics, a minor mistake in vertical hinges were found.

 

As a result the angular movement became more sharp in initial acceleration while the general damping in angular movement even increased a little bit. It was THE ONLY change we made.

These changes do not affect on any other aspects of the flight model.

 

My immediate first impression when I moved cyclic for the first time in BS2 was that the cyclic responds more quicker or that it has less lag. Is this placebo effect or something that the change in the hinge would cause? VRS also seems to be harder to get into and out of and I lose rotor RPM in hard turns more than I remember losing before but this might well be placebo effect.

[Nate--IRL--]

My immediate first impression when I moved cyclic for the first time in BS2 was that the cyclic responds more quicker or that it has less lag.

 

If the curves are the same in BS1 and BS2 then it is the placebo effect, of which Yo-Yo has become the master of accurately modelling for us.

 

Nate

[EtherealN]

then it is the placebo effect, of which Yo-Yo has become the master of accurately modelling for us.

 

This is the truth! :lol:

[RvETito]

The rotors and flight model in general are just fine, like they always were.

[ARM505]

No they aren't, my rotor blades keep touching in BS2 as well.....oh wait. :)

[Cowboy10uk]

No they aren't, my rotor blades keep touching in BS2 as well.....oh wait. :)

 

 

:megalol:

[Migow]

autorotation still bugged

 

hi the autorotation is still "bugged":doh:

:cry:will it be fixed?

it seems the rotor has "Perpetual motion":D

[sylkhan]

hi the autorotation is still "bugged":doh:

:cry:will it be fixed?

it seems the rotor has "Perpetual motion":D

 

No? nohing has change since bS1

 

just kidding :)

[Bucic]

Does it affect / address the "power too high on idle" (alleged) bug?

[Bushmanni]

Now I'm not sure what Yo-Yo meant with the angular acceleration and dampening as he didn't state what is turning but after thinking about it I think he meant the whole helicopter or at least the rotor disks. There isn't any other clear differences with BS1 flight model except for the sharper cyclic response which is quite noticeable.

[EinsteinEP]

Bushmanni,

 

Yo-Yo specifically said the flight model change affects only the vertical hinge (aka flapping hinge) dynamics and any other effects are placebo.

[Vecko]

Maybe we need new "placebo effects" thread?:)

[Bushmanni]

EinsteinEP, thanks for clarification. I was wondering what hinge a vertical hinge would be but flapping hinge never crossed my mind. But there's still the question about it's effects on flight dynamics. How does flapping hinge affect flying characteristics in the first place. I have to assume changes to it aren't completely irrelevant as what would be the point of having the said hinge if it does nothing and if it does something changes to it will cause something to change in how the chopper flies. I have not enough education or experience to deduce how changes in flapping hinge behavior changes the flight dynamics.

[Griffin]

Does it affect / address the "power too high on idle" (alleged) bug?

 

AlphaOneSix didn't find anything wrong with it. The problem seemed to be elswehere but I guess it's as good as it gets within the limitations of the physics engine.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1275805&postcount=31

[Mikoyan89]

Does anyone find that now ,on takeoff, the helicopter is more sensitive to collective inputs?with just a little touch it leaves the ground....more power on idle,or is the in-ground effect of the rotor improved?

[msalama]

...or is the in-ground effect of the rotor improved?

 

It seems to be more sensitive to wind, but other than that I really can't say. Flies pretty much as it used to in v1.02 IMHO...

[Atomic978]

So can I ask if this little detail will get a hot fix for bs1? No worries if not I am just wondering.

[C6_Hellfrog]

It seems I have read in thread about BS2 delivery, that BS1 will no longer be free patched...

[Yo-Yo]

My immediate first impression when I moved cyclic for the first time in BS2 was that the cyclic responds more quicker or that it has less lag. Is this placebo effect or something that the change in the hinge would cause?

 

- It's your impression.

 

"As a result the angular movement became more sharp in initial acceleration while the general damping in angular movement even increased a little bit. It was THE ONLY change we made." - It's my explanation.

 

May be I was not very clear in my scientific explanation but it means exactly the same that your impression :)