Super Tucano wins USAF LAS

[159th_Viper]

For what it's worth, the Shafaq is the primary Light Attack Aircraft, of which they currently have 4.

[EtherealN]

Incorrect.

 

It's a primary trainer and nothing else. Ground attack aircraft are the Su-25K Frogfoot-A, Su-25UBK Frogfoot-B, Su-25UBT Frogfoot-B, Su-20 Fitter and the Su-22 Fitter.

 

The one source I found for it being used in CAS role was Washington Institute, which is the one Wikipedia uses as a source. Tried finding corroborating sources but failed. (Didn't spend extremely long at it though.)

 

"The backbone of the IRGCAF consists of ten Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft ([...] kept airworthy with the help of Georgian technicians) and around forty EMB-312 Tucanos -- its main CAS aircraft."

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2422

 

Anyhoo, calling that a CAS aircraft is a bit... meh. Apparently it is possible to strap some basic weapons onto it (Lebanon has iron bombs for it's UH-1's, so anything can be weaponized... :P ) - there is the AT-27 but I'm not too familiar with it, and sources aren't being very clear which version it is the Iranians bought - most mention the T-27, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a majority purchase of T-27 with a few extra AT-27's, and then less meticulous sources count all the Tucanos as if they were AT-27's. Or pure T-27's that have been modified by the iranians. If someone has proper sources this would be interesting.

Edited January 1, 2012 by EtherealN

[159th_Viper]

"The backbone of the IRGCAF consists of ten Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft ([...] kept airworthy with the help of Georgian technicians) and around forty EMB-312 Tucanos -- its main CAS aircraft."

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2422

 

Yeah - IIRC only 37 Tucanos made their way to Iran in any event.

 

As an aside, in another article, the very same author of the Washington Institute confirms in another Washington Institute article that only 15 Tucano's are 'ground-attack aircraft'....pg17.....http://www.metransparent.com/IMG/pdf/PolicyFocus87.pdf

 

So who knows - the moon might as well be made of cheese for all the relevance it has to constructive debate :)

[RodrigoMF_BR]

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran---Revolutionary/Embraer-T-27-Tucano/1532661/L/

 

Understand crow doesn't taste any better in Brazil than in the US

 

 

:lol:

 

The P&W PT6, has parts anywhere in the world...

 

If Iran maintain F4 and F14 at flight conditions, why not will be with the old T27 ?

 

The new A29, we can´t sold for Iran or another US restrictions country..

 

Venezuela want´s buys a batch some years and DoD forbidden this sale.

[RodrigoMF_BR]

The one source I found for it being used in CAS role was Washington Institute, which is the one Wikipedia uses as a source. Tried finding corroborating sources but failed. (Didn't spend extremely long at it though.)

 

"The backbone of the IRGCAF consists of ten Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft ([...] kept airworthy with the help of Georgian technicians) and around forty EMB-312 Tucanos -- its main CAS aircraft."

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2422

 

Anyhoo, calling that a CAS aircraft is a bit... meh. Apparently it is possible to strap some basic weapons onto it (Lebanon has iron bombs for it's UH-1's, so anything can be weaponized... :P ) - there is the AT-27 but I'm not too familiar with it, and sources aren't being very clear which version it is the Iranians bought - most mention the T-27, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a majority purchase of T-27 with a few extra AT-27's, and then less meticulous sources count all the Tucanos as if they were AT-27's. Or pure T-27's that have been modified by the iranians. If someone has proper sources this would be interesting.

 

Brazilian Air Force AT27 are simple T27 with A before T, and behind seat removed( at some cases) for another fuel tank, the regular use are with two normal seats.

 

The designation are give too for squadron mission...

 

Operacional squadrons with A and training with T...

 

Air Force Academy

 

 

Operacional Squadrons..

 

Are totally nonsense call them to attack aircraft..

 

EMBRAER soles them to Venezuela too..

 

At early 80´s...

[mikoyan]

The Colombian Air Force has used the supertucano together with the uh-60 Arpia III http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_AH-60L_Arp%C3%ADa_III in most of their bombing missions agains the top leaders of the terrorist group farc; all of them at night.

 

Here is the wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano

(look at the combat operations part) article about the supertucano I can attests that this operations did happen and were highly successful; thanks to the usage of this small airplane together with intelligence resources and other aircraft we have almost eliminated most of the leathers of the farc.

 

 

Here is the video of the last operation on which the air force Killed the top leather of the terrorist group farc "El mono jojoi"

 

 

[RodrigoMF_BR]

 

Here is the video of the last operation on which the air force Killed the top leather of the terrorist group farc "El mono jojoi"

 

 

Isn´t a secret with a smaller group inside brazilian governament, are friendly with FARC, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, North Korea, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and any anti-american or anti-democratic people..

 

They are simple old kids, with don´t growup since 60 decade..

 

Don´t have any importance or influence at political administration..

 

Several times i saw them calling Super Tucano of freedom killers, tools of imperialist terror, etc :lol:

 

That´s a signal with the things are working at Colombia territory...

 

Congratulations to all FAC professionals!

[AlphaOneSix]

The Super Tucano contract for the USAF has been put on hold (canceled?), possibly for good.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/01/us-embraer-us-idUSTRE8202HV20120301

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204520204577251252874025704.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[Krunkskimo]

like the pit

 

 

but i feel CAS in DCS just isnt up to the task for a dedicated LAS . at least not until CO

[joey45]

So, who sold them F-14s and how long ago was that??

anyway this colour scheme looks much better

http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Short-S-312-Tucano/2073156/L/&sid=ece6104eb4782ca709592560d30117a6

 

http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Short-S-312-Tucano/2069528/L/&sid=ece6104eb4782ca709592560d30117a6

[aaron886]

That's not a color scheme, that's "black." :wassat:

[joey45]

It's dark Blue.

[Nate--IRL--]

Well whatever it is, it is brown envelopes that will decide this.........

 

Nate

[joey45]

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

imagine the P-51 is the A-29..

[Pyroflash]

Only if the P-51D gets a glass panel cockpit and guided weapons.

[Weta43]

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Air Force said Tuesday it would set aside a contract awarded late last year to Sierra Nevada Corp. to supply planes to Afghanistan's military

 

Co-incidentally, in the news at the same time is...

 

"US-Afghanistan deal in danger as Hamid Karzai holds firm on demands

...

Hopes that the US can fix conditions for a long-term military presence in Afghanistan before an unofficial May deadline are fading because Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, is not prepared to compromise on two demands that have stalled negotiations for months

...

But western diplomats warn that Karzai may be badly misjudging the mood in an economically battered America, whose diplomats are also distracted by security concerns in other volatile areas from Syria and Yemen to Somalia.

...

"The Afghans still really believe that the Americans need to be here," said one senior Kabul diplomat who asked not to be named.

 

"I think they are underestimating how much things have changed, and US concerns are focused elsewhere – and they cannot manage without this support."

"

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/02/us-afghan-pullout-deal-hopes-fade

[Weta43]

"Only if the P-51D gets a glass panel cockpit and guided weapons. "

 

Look on Wiki at the P-51 page & follow the links for planes developed from this plane - Turboprop Mustang derivative that trialed for the same contracts the Super Tucano

[wilky510]

Probably gonna get hate for this, but i'd rather see the money for these go for keeping the 5 A-10 squadrons that are being cut off than buy these.

[RodrigoMF_BR]

I think with LAS question will be resolved after american elections...

 

And the winner will be the same.

 

One thing with i can´t understand..

 

Why Afhegan Governament don´t buy the planes direct to EMBRAER ?

[Wolfie]

Turn Afghanistan into a glowing ember - problem solved. There's nothing good there.

[AlphaOneSix]

Turn Afghanistan into a glowing ember - problem solved. There's nothing good there.

 

"The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.

 

The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe."

[Weta43]

Turn Afghanistan into a glowing ember - problem solved. There's nothing good there.

I suspect the people that live there probably feel the same way about you...

 

The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan

 

Yes, I'd read that. I expect in the long run what will happen is that 'concessions' to the minerals will be granted by the Afghan Govt, then mining companies will (as they do in Africa) maintain enough security to keep their operations going, but the idea of stablising the whole country into a peaceful 'market democracy' will fall by the wayside (well the democracy bit anyway - as it has in various countries in Africa)

[Cedaway]

"The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.

 

The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe."

 

US official: People of Afghanistan, we'll help you to win the war on terror. Your land belongs to you!

US companies: ... Not sure for the underground...

[Neves_EDAV]

Hello guys,

 

We from EDAV (Virtual Brazilian Smoke Squadron) are developing a A-29B Super Tucano for the Lock On FC2 and studying the possibility to insert on DCS. We had a huge helping hand from Tim Conard that gave us the right to use his FSX A29 model.

The only problem is that we don't have much resources to study and start to make this beautiful bird for DCS. Well, hope we figure it out soon!

I let you with a pic from this amazing plane that will be in service on the real Brazilian Smoke Squadron on September 2013.

 

 

See ya.

[JaseGill]

I'm not surprised it won, and also not surprised its now dumped either.

 

Sounds like the standard protectionist system within the US. Anyone remember Airbus winning the future tanker programme A330, or Westland winning the future helicopter (Merlin) competitions and then being kicked out for some made up reason.

 

Does Embraer have any Congressmen in its back pockets with a workforce that will be fired in his state because the usual suspects (Boeing, Northrop Grumman) didn't win again? I think not. Methinks usually having the best platform is often trumped by having a politician who wants another term in office every time.

 

I don't have a problem with this of course, protecting your own military machine, being independent and not losing tax $ to other countries is a good thing to do, I just wish we, in the UK and Europe as a whole would wake up and smell the coffee.

 

Though that said if Europe and the UK did that we'd be the only ones with the Jet Engine (BMW and a certain Mr Whittle) and Germany would have been the ones going supersonic first (given that Messerschmitt invented the all moving tail surface - a necessary control surface to enable control of supersonic aircraft at the time). Even more importantly Germany would have been the 1st nation to put a man on the moon given Werner Von Braun was the German that developed the US Moon Rockets :)

There are plenty others I'd mention (anyone remember the Anglo-French Concorde being the 1st - read only- commercial supersonic airliner?) but its late here and I'm tired ;)