WarthogSmurf Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 I noticed to little wheel (nosewheel) break of during take off. I rolled up to a speed of 160kt and then suddenly hear a bump and my air is thrown into the sky . Is this some kind of max speed the gear can take ?
ralfidude Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 You are supposed to turn off nose wheel steering as you take off. I was told somewhere like 80 knots? If you have a heavy payload and keep it on, on strong crosswinds, expect to be flying with your front gear missing back at the runway. I have shamefully done that a few times... >.> <.< [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC]
Schnarre Aggro Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 I heard several maximum speeds for "disengage nosewheelsteering" from 50kts to 75 and now 80kts .... i recommend to wait what "Paulrkiii" says ... then we know whats the max speed allowed for reallife A10C :smartass: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There are two types of fighter pilots - those who have, and those who will execute a magnificent break turn towards a bug on the canopy . . . . http://www.youtube.com/user/schnarrsonvomdach http://www.twitch.tv/schnarre https://www.facebook.com/pages/Schnarre-Schnarrson/876084505743788?fref=ts
WarthogSmurf Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Nose wheel sterring is disabled at 60 kt which i do everytime. It happends when nosewheel is turned off hence i found it a bit strange
joey45 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 What I normally do is disengage NWS at around 50/60 start pulling back firmly at around 100 or so until take off.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
effte Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 There's no limit in the book. It's recommended to be left on until 70 KIAS with xwinds>20 KIAS, otherwise 'as desired'. ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
Xxx Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 I leave NWS on. With "small" pedal corrections as you accelerate to V1, you should not stress the nosewheel to the point where it departs the aircraft! With a full ordinance load I slowly rotate at 120 KIAS. Any RW Hog drivers out there? Does any other military jet disconnect NWS during acceleration to V1? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky
mvsgas Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 F-16 and F-117 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Tucano_uy Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 I disengage NWS when the AoA indicator on the left side of the hud goes alive, around 50 kts.
BlackRazor Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 I noticed to little wheel (nosewheel) break of during take off. I rolled up to a speed of 160kt and then suddenly hear a bump and my air is thrown into the sky . Is this some kind of max speed the gear can take ? It's a bug that has already been discussed in the forum.
bluepilot76 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Imagine what chance that tiny piece of rubber has to change the orientation of the aircraft versus those huge rudders, all your going to do is make the little wheel go sideways and damage it. So IMO not much point keeping NWS on once the rudders have "woken up" due to aerodynamic forces. I turn it off asap, i find it easier to steer a line without over controlling using the rudder. probably around 50kts having made sure I am pointing in reasonable direction by then! Technical Specs: Asus G73JW gaming laptop... i7-740QM 1.73GHz ... GTX460m 1.5GB ... 8GB DDR5 RAM ... Win7 64 ... TIR5 ... Thrustmaster T16000m
Lane Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Huum for take off, the only thing is to dont too much use the wheel for correct the position brutally... you want just to be kind with it, and it will never break ( i never disconnect the NWS and i have never break a gear ) ... same goes when you are landing off.. you will just start correct when you start use the break, ... other than that you should not have to correct anything. your plane should be aligned before the nose wheel touch the ground. If your landing is perfect, you should not even have to correct it when you start break. Just be kind and nice with it... its a plane, not a drifting car. Edited January 21, 2012 by Lane - I7 2600K @5.2ghz ( EK full Nickel waterblock ) - Gigabyte P67A-UD7 B3 - 8GB Predator 2133mhz - 2x HD7970 - EK Nickel EN H2o block - 2x Crucial realSSD C300 Raid0 - Black Widow Ultimate - X52 -TrackIR 5 - XIfi Titanium HD - Win 7 x64Pro
bluepilot76 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Point is though if you are landing or taking off, and for some reason you NEED to give a strong yaw command, ie cross wind or you are just heading towards the edge or your wingman, then you can not be gentle with it. the rudder will have authority at speed but you will need a good dose of rudder pedal to use it. Meanwhile your nose wheel is going sideways. I am sure I saw it written down somewhere that the proedure is to turn it off. Not that I am a big believer in RTFM, but it just seems sensible to turn it off when your rudder is going to be overriding it. Anyway each to his own its not like you have to pay for the ones you break! Technical Specs: Asus G73JW gaming laptop... i7-740QM 1.73GHz ... GTX460m 1.5GB ... 8GB DDR5 RAM ... Win7 64 ... TIR5 ... Thrustmaster T16000m
Lane Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Point is though if you are landing or taking off, and for some reason you NEED to give a strong yaw command, ie cross wind or you are just heading towards the edge or your wingman, then you can not be gentle with it. the rudder will have authority at speed but you will need a good dose of rudder pedal to use it. Meanwhile your nose wheel is going sideways. I am sure I saw it written down somewhere that the proedure is to turn it off. Not that I am a big believer in RTFM, but it just seems sensible to turn it off when your rudder is going to be overriding it. Anyway each to his own its not like you have to pay for the ones you break! you are right, i remember too manual say to cut it passed a certain speed for take off, and power it, when you are under a certain speed on landing.. Note on landing, you will mostly land on the back gears, and then push ( or let the nose go down as you decrease the speed ) .... i dont want to correct anything with the NWS under a certain speed .. more wind.. more time on the back gear and specially you push the gaz before hit the ground. you hit the ground smoothly. The last pressure give the plane the correct forces for stay aligned. ( sorry my english is a little bit bad tonight, hope it is understandable ) This is a landing with big wind ( no visibilty and on ILS ).. at this point the gaz are off Now the the gaz are push to the maximum as i approach the ground, i have correct the descent with increasing the gaz, for finally be at max level...when the wheel hit the ground i will cut the gaz and the nose hit smoothly the pist. the weight and the inertia of the plane do the rest... Normally, lateral winds, speed, down speed are the factors you have take in account before be on the ground. your plane should not have to be corrected when you have hit the ground, the way it run on the landing pist depend on what you have done before the plane hit the ground.. ( its not a car, he have a damn weight and a big inertia due to the propulsor, its good to use it at your advantage ) Edited January 21, 2012 by Lane - I7 2600K @5.2ghz ( EK full Nickel waterblock ) - Gigabyte P67A-UD7 B3 - 8GB Predator 2133mhz - 2x HD7970 - EK Nickel EN H2o block - 2x Crucial realSSD C300 Raid0 - Black Widow Ultimate - X52 -TrackIR 5 - XIfi Titanium HD - Win 7 x64Pro
WarthogSmurf Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 It's a bug that has already been discussed in the forum. Ahhh i tried it again and in another mission i got 200kt and nothing happend. Well if it is a bug then and already discussed then time for a close thnx everybody
RobC Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) I leave NWS on. With "small" pedal corrections as you accelerate to V1, you should not stress the nosewheel to the point where it departs the aircraft! With a full ordinance load I slowly rotate at 120 KIAS. Any RW Hog drivers out there? Does any other military jet disconnect NWS during acceleration to V1? Rotation speed is determined by aircraft weight actually, so it depends. Here is the chart the RL dudes use (I think this is actually A-10A, but I think its similar enough to not matter for game purposes.) e: also I usually turn off NWS at around 60 knots, I have the key bound to my hotas (its also used for air-air refueling) so its just a quick tap. Double e: The weight of an a-10 at "100%" weight in the editor is about 46.5k lbs Triple edit: What the heck, I wasn't going to post this because these are mostly my modified loadouts, but I guess its still a good starting point. The columns "TOW 100%" is TOW with that loadout and 100% fuel, "TOW 75" is 75% fuel, etc. "Max Fuel" is the amount of fuel you can take before you hit the 100% weight number. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AlP-UtaMfN3bdEhQblAxWkhxSy1XeFBzX3l4c2JzRnc&output=html Edited January 21, 2012 by RobC
Lane Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 double post - I7 2600K @5.2ghz ( EK full Nickel waterblock ) - Gigabyte P67A-UD7 B3 - 8GB Predator 2133mhz - 2x HD7970 - EK Nickel EN H2o block - 2x Crucial realSSD C300 Raid0 - Black Widow Ultimate - X52 -TrackIR 5 - XIfi Titanium HD - Win 7 x64Pro
cichlidfan Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 It's a bug that has already been discussed in the forum. Actually have a pretty good clip of it too!:D ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
effte Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 I am sure I saw it written down somewhere that the proedure is to turn it off. "Somewhere" wasn't the flight manual for the aircraft, with xwinds>20 knots excepted. See my previous post. ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
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