Shootist Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 I'm sure I'm not alone here. If it were not for the lack of twist for rudders, I'd probably make the sacrifice and by the thing. Being less than a hard core enthusiast I just don't want to add and use pedals. Matter of fact I quite like the twist feature. I checked out the F65 Saitek and they did it. Guess that's where I'm headed.:noexpression: Asus P8P67Pro, Intel i7, 8gb DDR3, OCZ Vertex3, 120gb SSD, GForce GTX 560, Cooler Master GX850, Win 7, Logi X 3D Pro.
159th_Viper Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 You referring to the Cougar or Warthog? In both instances there's just no way that they can dumb it down enough to incorporate a twist-rudder I would have thought - the build quality precludes it. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
cichlidfan Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 You referring to the Cougar or Warthog? In both instances there's just no way that they can dumb it down enough to incorporate a twist-rudder I would have thought - the build quality precludes it. I would have to agree about the Warthog. I can't see how they could have added twist without sacrificing the accuracy. I never was too fond of the twist when I was using my X52, but that is just me. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
PlainSight Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 There's a "TM t.flight hotas x" model which is even better than a twisty, It has two rockers on throttle unit, which are used for rudder. http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
agrasyuk Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 well , the real thing doesn't twist and this control is a replica. given the throttle bothers to hold less then crucial switches (how often do you use motor or fuel cut off. i never did.) to conform to the prototype the twist would look out of place. but i do agree about pedal sentiment. i got used to twist so much that flying with those seemed awekward. for me at least it took quite some time to relearn, i think i'm still getting used to it. Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project
Sokol1_br Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 There's a "TM t.flight hotas x" model which is even better than a twisty, It has two rockers on throttle unit, which are used for rudder. http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS Notice that HOTAS X have two option to control rudder, by twist stick or with rocker switchs in throtle handle. "Dual-system aerodynamic control: by rotating handle (with integrated blocking system) or by progressive tilting lever." http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_UK/products/tflight-hotas-x ;) Sokol1_Br
Zolitnitsky Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 ....AND you can lock the twist in the handle with screwdriver if you don't like it!! (Yeah, sorry couldn't help it - I'm so full of my self...) :lol:
PoleCat Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Twist rudder on the stick would be my reason not to buy it. Glad they didn't do this with the WH or the Cougar. TM has cheaper products that have a twist rudder. That is where this feature belongs. Out http://www.104thphoenix.com/
Shootist Posted February 8, 2012 Author Posted February 8, 2012 Wow, guess I am really alone here. Lol. No matter. That Hotas x is really no different than my X 3D. 12 buttons. And I found out the Saitek runs around 5 bills too so I'll prolly be just sticking with what I've got. Asus P8P67Pro, Intel i7, 8gb DDR3, OCZ Vertex3, 120gb SSD, GForce GTX 560, Cooler Master GX850, Win 7, Logi X 3D Pro.
HitchHikingFlatlander Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 If you're plunking down the cash for a Cougar or Warthog a twist rudder shouldn't even be on the same planet no offense. It's like a buying a bad-ass race car and complaining it doesn't have automatic shifting or A/C! http://dcs-mercenaries.com/ USA Squad
Zolitnitsky Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I don't really see the issue. If using the "F65" (I suppose you meant X65F http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.html) then the lack of twist in a pricy hotas system like that is quite obvious. Well, at least given the ambition of realism. But then you also get a whole lot of fancy buttons and dual throttle (if that's what you're after). On the - a lot - cheaper THFX you can chose whether you want to use twister or not as you can lock it and/or use the rocker on the throttle instead! Alternatively later go for the pedals. Regarding buttons you can always sacrifice one or two as modifiers doubling up the mapping. Dual throttle is then, unfortunately, a no go. Some people would argue "plastic" and "durability" but that's more a question on taste and style rather than function - search the forum and see your self. Junior has spoken!
kylania Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I know I really missed the twist when I switched from my Saitek to the TM Warthog, but after getting Saitek Pro Flight pedals I've never looked back. So much more enjoyable flight now. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Christmas Cheer - A Landing Practice Mission : Beta Paint Schemes : HOTAS Keyboard Map : Bingo Fuel - A DCS A-10C Movie
Zolitnitsky Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 And I suppose so it is for many (or most) of us that upgrade. The "realism" somewhat being a driving factor. Then again I couldn't help picturing the engineers at Kamov: "Hey, maybe we should put the rudders as a twist on the cyclic next time!". I for one admire people that can fly BS with twist. Utterly it's about experience and fun in the game - realistic or not.
FieroCDSP Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 I avoided buying the Saitek X52 specifically for this reason (that and what they did to the head of the stick). I loved the rudder on the fingertips of the X35-45 throttle, as it put the control on the two fingers that weren't doing anything. If you're going to drop a dime on the Warthog, just get some pedals. Most of them are good for other things, like racing sims, as well.
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