Will Flaming Cliffs 3 have Advanced Flight Model for all flyable aircrafts?

[Kenan]

As the title says. What are the plans in regards to AFM?

 

Thanks.

[EtherealN]

Unfortunately, at this time, this is all there is:

"2- Flaming Cliffs 3. This will be a paid-for update to the Flaming Cliffs series and brings it to the same world, mission editor, AI, units, etc. as A-10C and Black Shark 2. We plan to include several upgrades to the aircraft, a resource management system, and several other new features. This will also make Flaming Cliffs online compatible with A-10C and Black Shark 2. Pricing will depend on what new features are included."

 

and

 

"As each product nears completion and feature lists are finalized, more details will be provided."

 

from http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=81589

 

I don't believe anything further, as far as relating to flight models, has been announced yet.

[Pilotasso]

Only Su25T.

 

For AFM for other aircraft there will be DCS.

 

They did say something about improving SFM in FC3, if im not mistakened.

[Weta43]

Only Su25T.

And the Su-25A ...

[Pilotasso]

Fogot that one, but its still a frog :D

[StoOopiD]

is fc3 a update or a full release?

[blackbelter]

I am having my eyes on the official update section whenever the Ed forum page is loaded, hoping to see sth related to fc3...

[Airbuster]

We may see advanced FM for the A-10A also...

[Grimes]

We may see advanced FM for the A-10A also...

 

I would bet that the A-10A gets some love with FC3, afterall wasn't the DCS game going to focus on the A model at first until they got the OK to do the C? I am curious when we might see some more details about FC3. Both Nevada and P-51 have a stated goal of being out in 2012, not to mention both have a decent amount of info/screenshots out there. Aside from that initial announcement post, info on FC3 and Combined Arms has been scarce.

 

Which product can we expect to be released first?

[Boberro]

If DCS F-18 is going to be released in this year, perhaps FC3 will be compatible with it too...it'd be nice move by devs. I guess DCS F-18 is in advanced state of work, so it'd be good to make FC3 compatible with F-18 simultaneously.

[Kenan]

^^I actually heard something interesting..that DCS is waiting in terms of deciding what flyable fighter to simulate because of BMS Falcon (F-16) and upcoming Seven-g title (F-18 . False rumour or not..I'd rather see F-15C modelled..or if not F15 then F-18 as it looks like SevenG won't be having MP-compatible sim at least right after the release.

 

As for FC3...not putting AFM in all flyables would be dissapointing..especially taxing on the runway feels like ice skating..landing the planes (especially after doing so in A10C or Falcon BMS) feels like landing on a super glue..

 

I'm not saying they should do the whole rewamp..but rather, if it's going to be FC3, a new product people are expected to buy, make it worthwile.

[wasserfall]

^^I actually heard something interesting..that DCS is waiting in terms of deciding what flyable fighter to simulate because of BMS Falcon (F-16) and upcoming Seven-g title (F-18 . False rumour or not..I'd rather see F-15C modelled..or if not F15 then F-18 as it looks like SevenG won't be having MP-compatible sim at least right after the release.

 

As for FC3...not putting AFM in all flyables would be dissapointing..especially taxing on the runway feels like ice skating..landing the planes (especially after doing so in A10C or Falcon BMS) feels like landing on a super glue..

 

I'm not saying they should do the whole rewamp..but rather, if it's going to be FC3, a new product people are expected to buy, make it worthwile.

 

+1

[Pilotasso]

kenan, the purpose of DCS, among other things is AFM. FC3 would take much longer if they implemented AFM, like I said, they will up the SFM a notch in FC3, so no worries, while you wait for DCS, you play FC3.

 

neither BMS or 7-G is in direct line of competition with DCS: whatever-fighter. They are fan made projects while DCS is a fully funded project and is likely to be much more achieved judging by the previous DCS titles.

And yes, what you heard is most likely a rumour. ED and testers are keeping tight lips on what plane it will be.

 

F-15C? unless they did a complete 180 degrees turn rgarding what has been said, it wont be the Eagle. Most likely will one of the multirole fighters.

[Kenan]

FC3 would take much longer if they implemented AFM, like I said, they will up the SFM a notch in FC3

 

I would welcome whatever change they apply to the SFM. It doesn't have to be on paar with DCS..but rather try tweak it a little so it feels more real..so when I buy FC3 I can honestly say XXX aircraft(s) does feel better, behaves more realisticaly. It's NOT a FC2 rehash with some make up on it.

 

Also, the default HUD in F-15C cockpit is dreadful..I really hope they do something about it. Once I found a mod for it, I started flying the Eagle and got interested in it..but before that..with that ugly HUD which was like 2D bad child drawings..I always felt turned off to even give it a spin..

[FanBoy2006.01]

kenan, the purpose of DCS, among other things is AFM. FC3 would take much longer if they implemented AFM, like I said, they will up the SFM a notch in FC3, so no worries, while you wait for DCS, you play FC3.

 

neither BMS or 7-G is in direct line of competition with DCS: whatever-fighter. They are fan made projects while DCS is a fully funded project and is likely to be much more achieved judging by the previous DCS titles.

And yes, what you heard is most likely a rumour. ED and testers are keeping tight lips on what plane it will be.

 

F-15C? unless they did a complete 180 degrees turn rgarding what has been said, it wont be the Eagle. Most likely will one of the multirole fighters.

 

Man, if they make any +- Mach 2 fighter up to the quality of Black Shark 1, I will be p1$$ing in my pants! ... But in a good way.:thumbup:

[jermin]

I'm wondering how the current SFM is compared to the FM of IL2 and which one is more realistic.

[sereupin]

i am very interested in this topic because I arrive from lomac, than fc1 and fc2.. and I have always appreciated their work.. so now, i am totally impatient to wait for this FC3..

 

Unfortunately, they announced at november but after it i didn't listen nothing more ..

 

 

I remember to have readed :

 

"4- The first "DCS Flying Legends" aircraft will be released in the first half of 2012."

 

but anybody know something more about it ?! because considering it for true, it means that FC3 should come out soon..am I wrong?

 

 

Ps: i am sorry for my ignorance, but what does it mean when you write "AFM" or "SFM" ?

[EtherealN]

"4- The first "DCS Flying Legends" aircraft will be released in the first half of 2012."

 

but anybody know something more about it ?! because considering it for true, it means that FC3 should come out soon..am I wrong?

 

Note the forum section named "DCS: P-51D Mustang". ;)

http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=164

Announcement and screens: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84624

 

EDIT: Note that that bullet list was not "by order of release". At this time, FC3 does not have a specific release date.

 

Ps: i am sorry for my ignorance, but what does it mean when you write "AFM" or "SFM" ?

 

SFM: Simple Flight Model

AFM: Advanced Flight Model

 

The SFM is essentially a "regular" table-simulation, that is, a flight model where it relies on a table of data to get flight behaviour. AFM is more advanced with detailed simulation of surfaces - for example the Su-25 in FC and of coourse all DCS products.

Edited March 1, 2012 by EtherealN

[Kegetys]

Having at least some improvements would be nice, like to the "snap-to-runway" landings and some smoother transitions when going from one state to another (like when going to stall, where there is a sudden change of ailerons no longer working at all the instant your airspeed drops below a certain value).

 

Some documentation for the community to improve these areas would be welcomed too.

[sereupin]

Note the forum section named "DCS: P-51D Mustang". ;)

http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=164

Announcement and screens: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84624

 

yes yes, I have already noticed this thread but my point was elsewhere.. I mentioned the point "4." because I used my logic thinking on other points (that can be surely wrong :) )

 

 

If I consider that "Combined Arms" is an enviroment where FC3 will fly, as for the "Nevada map", I guessed that the conclusion could be probably that Flaming Cliffs 3 will be released earlier than something will be used for it.

So, I understand that there are not definite dates on it, but if I read that "DCS Flying Legends will be released in the first half of 2012" I guessed that probably (but again, i can be wrong:doh:) FC3 and other things will arrive earlier than the first half of the year.. yes i know.. i am impatient :pilotfly:

 

 

Thank you also for to have explained me about SFM and AFM.. and yes, the SU25 in FC2 was very nice.. if they would do the same for other planes, would be great.. naturally with improved cockpits like here

[EtherealN]

Well, Combined Arms and Nevada are addons that will be compatible with FC3, A-10C and BS2 (I don't know if it will be compatible with P-51D - I don't see why not but I don't want to say anything definitive without announcements to back me up - I'm not the one that has to code all of that so what seems easy to me might actually be difficult. :P). So if Combined Arms and Nevada is released before FC3, there will still be a use for it since A-10C and BS2 is already out. :)

 

And, of course, everything is always subject to change. If necessary to supply desired features, the release timeframes and pricings might be changed. But that's the ballpark at least. :)

[bird-1]

I can smell the FC3 is coming soon, anyway, there is only 4 months left as the first half year of 2012.

 

Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada Map should have already been finished for a while;

 

I think FC3 is just another FC2 which compatible with A10C, BS2 and Nevada Map, the improvement will be very limit because the improvement space should be left for DCS;

 

The next US fixed wing jet DCS aircraft will be really exciting, it will be released in 2012 or not is a big problem, nothing is impossible for ED~

Edited March 2, 2012 by bird-1

[blackbelter]

I can smell the FC3 is coming soon

 

I wish you are correct, but I can't smell it yet... Apart from the mentioning of FC3 in the official update section, I don't see ED team releasing further information... It's all in our own discussion. We excite ourselves...

 

ED, any further information would be much appreciated...:mad:

[EagleEye]

I think FC3 is just another FC2 which compatible with A10C, BS2 and Nevada Map, the improvement will be very limit....

Not entirely, there is at least one major feature in FC3 which we haven`t had before. Better to re-read the FC3 part of the 2012 Roadmap.;) Furthermore to make FC3 also compatible to Combined Arms and Nevada I can imagine that this will require additional steps...

Edited March 2, 2012 by EagleEye