Spyros Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Although I bought DCS A-10C when it was released, I haven't had the time to get into it until a few days ago. I think it's very good and the modern systems make it a lot more effective (smth like a slow F-16 :) ), and the attacks a lot easier. I would have preferred the A-10A though, since I grew up during the cold war (regression to childhood :) ). So that's the A-10 I'd like to fly in DCS level of detail, having the now "backup systems" as main systems, sitting in the old cockpit and relying on the force instead of the sniper pod! :D After the long intro, it's time to get to the point. Since all this work has been put to the A-10C and we have a very good flight model, the backup systems are there, etc, how easy would it be for ED to implement an A-10A based on the work they've done on the C? If it's feasible I'd sure buy it, but it probably wouldn't be worth the time for just one customer would it? So I thought I'd add a poll to this, to see how many people would also like the A-10A and would buy it, even if they bought the C. Finally, as some friends have said, I can fly the C with the new systems turned off, or fly the A in FC2. Well, flying the C with the systems off is not the same. Flying the A in FC2 is obviously also not the same, which is one of the reasons I preferred the Su-25 in FC, which had a better flight model and made your life harder (ie. forced you to "fly" in a more realistic manner). But that's how we sim-masochists like it isn't it? :D 2 God forgives... Spyros doesn't.
Demongornot Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Nice idea !!! I have already imagine the A10A possibility and that can be nice ! Maybe an A10A based on the A10C with the same realism level with clickable cockpit in Flaming Cliff 3, that can be awesome ! The A10A are really more complex than the A10C and a lot of work are already done with the C, like flight model, only the weight and the avionic change, the aircraft have the same form, that want mean the same reaction on the air, ED have only the clickable cockpit and the old and simple avionic to do, that was not the hardest and longest thing, and i wonder that for next aircraft too we will have several versions !!! Same for AI plane !!! 1 CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
Daze Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 It could be something similar to BS2. I would definitely buy it, providing it came in around the $20 mark. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] First to Fight, First to Strike.
Spyros Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 I have already imagine the A10A possibility and that can be nice ! Yes we would have the D for flying with the new systems, as well as the A which is the one we all knew about and A-10 fans loved. (I'm not really an A-10 fan since I love the A-7 Corsair II, but I also like the A-10). It could be something similar to BS2. I would definitely buy it, providing it came in around the $20 mark. Well, they could release it at a special low price for those who bought the A-10C, normal price for those who haven't and even a bundle containing both at a discount. God forgives... Spyros doesn't.
cichlidfan Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 You are kidding, right? 1 ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Spyros Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 You are kidding, right? Wrong! :) God forgives... Spyros doesn't.
cichlidfan Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I can see no point in creating two different A-10As. One for FC3 and another standalone, would be rather silly, IMHO. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Spyros Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 I can see no point in creating two different A-10As. One for FC3 and another standalone, would be rather silly, IMHO. Unless the A-10 in FC3 is of DCS standards as Demongornot suggested, I don't think they are really comparable. I wouldn't be wishing for a standalone A-10A if they were. God forgives... Spyros doesn't.
sobek Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 A DCS plane can never be packed with FC3 as this would compromise the whole reason why the LO franchise name was abandoned. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
badger66 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I would buy it , if the cold war could be modeled .
Demongornot Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 A DCS plane can never be packed with FC3 as this would compromise the whole reason why the LO franchise name was abandoned. That want mean that the only way to see actual Flaming Cliff's plane transformed into hardcore sim with clickable cockpit and advanced avionic like A10C and KA-50 will be to wait an official DCS aircraft who can't be free ? :/ And if ED decide to create DCS A10A we will have both DCS and Flaming Cliff variant ? A good and realist compromise can be to see actual Flaming Cliff's aircraft update at the same level than the SU-25T ? CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 That want mean that the only way to see actual Flaming Cliff's plane transformed into hardcore sim with clickable cockpit and advanced avionic like A10C and KA-50 will be to wait an official DCS aircraft who can't be free ? :/ Why should it be free? And if ED decide to create DCS A10A we will have both DCS and Flaming Cliff variant ? Yep, that was the original plan for DCS:-Warthog before it was changed to the C A good and realist compromise can be to see actual Flaming Cliff's aircraft update at the same level than the SU-25T ? That would be nice tor FC3 - but I wouldn't bet on it. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
asparagin Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Get DCS A-10A for free: Just don't upload the TP, load MK82's, turn off SADL and there you go. Ps: make sure you have the latest drives installed, or else it's not working! Edited March 14, 2012 by asparagin Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
Spyros Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 Get DCS A-10A for free: Just don't upload the TP, load MK82's, turn off SADL and there you go. Ps: make sure you have the latest drives installed, or else it's not working! Wow thanks! You can also turn off the schval on the Su-25T and it becomes a Su-25A. But if your drivers are outdated, you can do it the other way round. LOPE MK82s on the F-15 and it becomes a Strike Eagle! :D God forgives... Spyros doesn't.
lighthaze Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 To be honest, no I don't think I'd buy it. Yes, I like the DCS series (and the A-10 in particular) but I'd rather have the development resources used for another aircraft. 1
Grimes Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 It would be interesting to have 2 very different versions of the same aircraft that are separated by 2 or so decades of upgrades. Unless they put a decent amount of effort into the A-10A+ that was going to be the DCS title before they secured the rights to do the C model, then its not really worth their time until they release more aircraft. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
Pyroflash Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 I would definitely buy into this one, although I would probably never fly it as not being able to use the TGP or SADL would kill me. If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
asparagin Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 Wow thanks! You can also turn off the schval on the Su-25T and it becomes a Su-25A. But if your drivers are outdated, you can do it the other way round. LOPE MK82s on the F-15 and it becomes a Strike Eagle! :D There's hope for you afterall! :D Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
Snoopy Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 The A10A are really more complex than the A10C ! How so? I've worked both real world and the A model is no where near as complex as the C....maybe i'm not understanding... v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Demongornot Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 @Nate : Free cause i have think that it can be possible to see advanced aircraft in Flaming Cliff but like Sobek have told me finally that can only be a DCS aircraft and not a FC3 improved aircraft, but we already have the A10C and we will soon pay for DCS FL P51D Mustang, Flaming Cliff 3, Combined Arms, Nevada (i have buy the Beta version of DCS but other don't have) and after all that we will have the next official DCS aircraft too and maybe with EDGE graphic engine for compatibility between actual and planed with the next DCS aircraft maybe Combined arms 2, and finally that will beggin to be really expensive, but anyways if an A10A comming i will buy it =) Thanks for this information And thanks too for this info but yes its sad that its not planed, or not yet, maybe for the next DCS aircraft after it will be done and when after patch ED team will have time for do it. @Paulrkiii sorry my mistake, i want mean the C are more complexe than the A (the C are simply the A with a lot of upgrade like you know, but its not a new aircraft, the C can only be more complexe than the A finally =) I have mistake A and C when i have write that.... Several part of the avionic on the A10C can be downgraded for create simpliest version, the rest are not hard to write compare to the A10C and finally the flight model don't need to change cause it was the same aircraft with same reaction on the air, only the weight change but simple fact to adjust fuel do finally the same thing. I think ED team can finally do an A10A really fast and without wall of problems, but that finally depend of what its planed. CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
HiJack Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 I would pay big money for a completely modeled A-10A cockpit in the new DCS EDGE environment! For sure! :D (HJ)
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