rattler Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 These are some pics of an aircraft that flew but Politics destroyed. An aircraft that even today seems to still be steeped in mystery as even a replica can not stand the strength of Politics. Well at least we can not forget.
galagamo Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 I know its a Convair F-102 Delta dart, but I am woefully ignorant of its history. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
Bearitall Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 I know its a Convair F-102 Delta dart, but I am woefully ignorant of its history. :music_whistling: Sorry bud ... its the Avro Arrow..at its time was the most advanced Interceptor ...but was scraped by our Government...Idiots...:doh: www.virtualtuskegeeairmen.com
joey45 Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Same with the TSR-2.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
galagamo Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Excuse me my mistake, they do look quite similar though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
rattler Posted March 20, 2012 Author Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Now they went after the Canadian Civil Aircraft Museum, a corner stone in our aviation history to make ice rinks. Home to some Aviation firsts including the Full SCALE CF-105 Replica used in the movie. Now the Replica is nothing but scrap along with 6 other first for Canada and the Aviation World as a whole. Frigin Politics, Toronto has a couple of Hockey Rinks just a good stones throw away from the museum but the owner saw dollar signs when Toronto wanted the land for 4 ice rinks. There is a petition some where but all had to be cut down and crated because they were given a 24 hour removal time. Nice what:mad: Edited March 20, 2012 by rattler
aaron886 Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Excuse me my mistake, they do look quite similar though. Not really, only similarity is that canopy splitter... which I guess is rare enough to make your point. Number of engines, planform, shape of the tail... all different.
Bearitall Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Excuse me my mistake, they do look quite similar though. Your right they do look simular..but the Delta Dart had a larger wing span..and came much later than the Avro Arrow... Once the Canadian Government cancelled the Avro Arrow program( was highly speculated that US Government force this closure..)...all the Avro Arrow engineers were hired by US Avionic Company...like Nasa and Boeing..and McDonald Douglas..thats why Canada's Avionic industry died..no Engineers here to stay and design aircraft...:music_whistling::( 1 www.virtualtuskegeeairmen.com
galagamo Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Not really..... No really, who would say these aircraft do not look similar? Thx for the explanation Beartail. Edited March 20, 2012 by galagamo [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
159th_Viper Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 I know its a Convair F-102 Delta dart... Slightly OT, but the 106 was the Delta Dart as opposed to the 102 that was the Delta Dagger. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
rattler Posted March 20, 2012 Author Posted March 20, 2012 Your right they do look simular..but the Delta Dart had a larger wing span..and came much later than the Avro Arrow... Once the Canadian Government cancelled the Avro Arrow program( was highly speculated that US Government force this closure..)...all the Avro Arrow engineers were hired by US Avionic Company...like Nasa and Boeing..and McDonald Douglas..thats why Canada's Avionic industry died..no Engineers here to stay and design aircraft...:music_whistling::( Also a couple just quit everything(retired) and 2 went to British Airways.
104th_Crunch Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 It is a sad story for sure. I remember the movie with Dan Akroyd. The joystick they used in the cockpit was the same I had at the time, a Wingman Exterme Joystick. POS that broke in half on me when I was in the middle of a Flanker 2.0 flight lol.
rattler Posted March 20, 2012 Author Posted March 20, 2012 I think if you look into the aircraft that came after the Avro Arrow, that a lot of aircraft carry similar features. Not all in one package but like wing style, landing gear style etc. I believe came from the Engineers of the Avro Arrow. One of the most important features was the fly by wire for aircraft with Mach. capability. There was so much taken Engineering wise, it is hard to fathom. The U.S. at that time did a real job on Canada and I think there was one other, that they dropped the useless Bomark Missle on at that time. Yes it certainly killed Canada from any further participation in the Aviation World. I think the AVRO ARROW held at least 30 new and proven features that put it at least 25 - 30 years ahead of its time and only god knows how far it could have gone. We will never know is the sad part.:(
Bearitall Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Would have been the most feared Jet of its time...:thumbup: www.virtualtuskegeeairmen.com
rattler Posted March 20, 2012 Author Posted March 20, 2012 Beartail: Thank you for putting that together. Very nice. :thumbup: There still is mystery around the ARROW, Someone or Organization lets say, don't even want the Replica as a Visual to what could have been . No.25206 was ready to fly with the Iriqouis engine, the one it was supposed to have been built for. Much more powerful than the 5 that flew with J4. That said, somewhere in the archieves, I have seen the numbers 2.3 Mach at 60,000+ feet. I will look into some of this. I have a real interest in this aircraft and that Canadians and the Aviation World itself not loose what this aircraft represented. It was a landmark in Aviation History that should never be forgotten. Would love to have a copy of your clip if that is possible. Cheers.
Bearitall Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Beartail: Thank you for putting that together. Very nice. :thumbup: There still is mystery around the ARROW, Someone or Organization lets say, don't even want the Replica as a Visual to what could have been . No.25206 was ready to fly with the Iriqouis engine, the one it was supposed to have been built for. Much more powerful than the 5 that flew with J4. That said, somewhere in the archieves, I have seen the numbers 2.3 Mach at 60,000+ feet. I will look into some of this. I have a real interest in this aircraft and that Canadians and the Aviation World itself not loose what this aircraft represented. It was a landmark in Aviation History that should never be forgotten. Would love to have a copy of your clip if that is possible. Cheers. Hey would love to take credit for the clip but I got it off of youtube...oh!...by the way I was 8 years old for its Maiden Flight 1958.... As for the Avro Arrow in the Canadian Civil Aircraft Museum...it is only a shell..all the plans were destroyed..along with the planes being chopped up into pieces.... Edited March 21, 2012 by Bearitall www.virtualtuskegeeairmen.com
IvanK Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 So what our were is the status of the museums CF105 Replica ? Is it safe and stored somewhere ?
Bearitall Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 So what our were is the status of the museums CF105 Replica ? Is it safe and stored somewhere ? Some of our MP's ( Members of Parliment) are fighting to stay off demolition...still in limbo...:doh: www.virtualtuskegeeairmen.com
rattler Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 cf-105 "meh" CF-105 25206 try and catch, F-22 not going to do it.:D
rattler Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) So what our were is the status of the museums CF105 Replica ? Is it safe and stored somewhere ? No not safe, had to be taken apart and boxed for storage, same as the rest of the RL aircraft the museum had. This is a sad story that we can't protect our heritage. Update: As of Jan16/2012 it is being taken apart and where it will go, no one at that time new. This is the latest I can find on the ARROW Replica. Edited March 21, 2012 by rattler
Bearitall Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 No not safe, had to be taken apart and boxed for storage, same as the rest of the RL aircraft the museum had. This is a sad story that we can't protect our heritage. Update: As of Jan16/2012 it is being taken apart and where it will go, no one at that time new. This is the latest I can find on the ARROW Replica. Last I heard there were gonna be moved to the docks area...but that is still up in the air...ooops...:music_whistling: www.virtualtuskegeeairmen.com
rattler Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 god knows what will happen. There are a couple of people here that say they are going to build 2/3 flying Replicas. Would be nice to see. That would be piloted not radio controlled. I do believe the Museum has everything stored in a warehouse, somewhere. I am still looking for info.
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