I would pay my money for:

[GGTharos]

I'd say you're reading it right.

[Kuky]

Alright... thanks GG... now if only ED were already working on multi-threading the core engine also, that would be a HUGE plus :D

[GGTharos]

That isn't so easy - I think the way forward is to spin off new engine additions (ie. EDGE terrain engine) into their own threads, rather than modify old code to be multi-threaded, just like they did with the sound engine and network code ... but that's just a guess on my part.

[RPY Variable]

Sad sad news!!

"This DCS jet aircraft is still in its early stages and a lot can still change, even the aircraft itself. As such, we will not be announcing what aircraft this is until it is much further along.":surprise::surprise::surprise::surprise:

 

Smells like that "early stage" is an absolutely nothing stage.. And flaming cliffs 3???:thumbdown: come on! Not to offend anyone but the idea of FC is of a game (yes, game because is not a simulator) slightly better than HAWX. Going back from the Ka-50 and A-10C fidelity to a FC where you start the plane with a button and change weapons with numbers, is like going back to steam engines.

 

It seems that ED is looking for a new public. After A-10 and Black Shark, there is no way I´m going back to FC. I know they are under no obligation of releasing a new plane every 2 years, but if there was going to be so much time between A-10 and the next aircraft (P-51 doesn´t count because less than 1% of the community really hope for that plane) why they had to release the A-10! why not a multirole jet!

 

I suspected this, but I still had a little hoped we where going to have a Jet in a close future. Now its gone

[jp203000]

Sad sad news!!

"This DCS jet aircraft is still in its early stages and a lot can still change, even the aircraft itself. As such, we will not be announcing what aircraft this is until it is much further along.":surprise::surprise::surprise::surprise:

 

Smells like that "early stage" is an absolutely nothing stage.. And flaming cliffs 3???:thumbdown: come on! Not to offend anyone but the idea of FC is of a game (yes, game because is not a simulator) slightly better than HAWX. Going back from the Ka-50 and A-10C fidelity to a FC where you start the plane with a button and change weapons with numbers, is like going back to steam engines.

 

It seems that ED is looking for a new public. After A-10 and Black Shark, there is no way I´m going back to FC. I know they are under no obligation of releasing a new plane every 2 years, but if there was going to be so much time between A-10 and the next aircraft (P-51 doesn´t count because less than 1% of the community really hope for that plane) why they had to release the A-10! why not a multirole jet!

 

I suspected this, but I still had a little hoped we where going to have a Jet in a close future. Now its gone

Well say, Sad as you are.:cry:

[MemphisBelle]

Sad sad news!!

"This DCS jet aircraft is still in its early stages and a lot can still change, even the aircraft itself. As such, we will not be announcing what aircraft this is until it is much further along.":surprise::surprise::surprise::surprise:

 

Smells like that "early stage" is an absolutely nothing stage.. And flaming cliffs 3???:thumbdown: come on! Not to offend anyone but the idea of FC is of a game (yes, game because is not a simulator) slightly better than HAWX. Going back from the Ka-50 and A-10C fidelity to a FC where you start the plane with a button and change weapons with numbers, is like going back to steam engines.

 

It seems that ED is looking for a new public. After A-10 and Black Shark, there is no way I´m going back to FC. I know they are under no obligation of releasing a new plane every 2 years, but if there was going to be so much time between A-10 and the next aircraft (P-51 doesn´t count because less than 1% of the community really hope for that plane) why they had to release the A-10! why not a multirole jet!

 

I suspected this, but I still had a little hoped we where going to have a Jet in a close future. Now its gone

 

Actually I am with you in all your points. FC3 is a waste of time in my eys as well. But we dont have to forget that the Community sitting here in tjhese forums is simply a small part of the Customer base at all. ED can´t just listen to us, they have to listen to their market studies and those seem to confirm that a Mustang would fit the economy plans...they wouldn´t develop any further FC series if it wouldnt worth it...as sad as it is from my and your point of view...

[EtherealN]

Smells like that "early stage" is an absolutely nothing stage..

 

I hope you understand that there are quite a few things that goes into making something like a DCS fast-jet. It would add new capabilities, and those need to be implemented as engine capabilities before before you can start work on the actual aircraft.

 

Example: ED didn't take the Su-25 AFM from FC1 and just tweak some numbers to get a helicopter. The engine itself required work before a helicopter could be implemented.

 

So don't run to conclusions based on that. :)

 

FC where you start the plane with a button and change weapons with numbers, is like going back to steam engines.

 

Personally I change weapon with my HOTAS, just like the real jet, in FC. You don't NEED to use the keyboard if you don't want to. :)

 

It seems that ED is looking for a new public.

 

Not necessarily "new", but DCS P-51D certainly might serve to attract people that are not interested in helicopters or jets. As for FC, there's a LOT of people amongst ED's current userbase that has requested a continuation of that. This is of course a classic fact that "you can please most people most of the time, but you can never please everyone at the same time". :)

 

why they had to release the A-10! why not a multirole jet!

 

Well, the A-10 is a legendary jet with a LOT of fans that hasn't had a good simulator made for it since A-10 Cuba in '96. (Not that I remember anyway.) And of course ED had developed a DTS for the USAF on the aircraft, so a lot of the relevant stuff was already "in-house". (Though it was originally planned to be an A-10A, but they managed to secure permission to use the knowledge transfer - probably with some careful edits to conform to classification - towards making a DCS A-10C.)

[Dudikoff]

Actually I am with you in all your points. FC3 is a waste of time in my eys as well. But we dont have to forget that the Community sitting here in tjhese forums is simply a small part of the Customer base at all. ED can´t just listen to us, they have to listen to their market studies and those seem to confirm that a Mustang would fit the economy plans...they wouldn´t develop any further FC series if it wouldnt worth it...as sad as it is from my and your point of view...

 

IMHO, if they say that the airplane can change, too, it means that the next jet is very early in development stages. This is the main reason why the FC3 is being worked on as they need a product they can sell in the meantime and the P-51 doesn't really cover the same territory.

 

Hence why I thought it would be a good idea for ED to form some 3rd party teams to develop several aircraft in parallel if they lack manpower because the period between releases is really long and seems to be getting longer for this release (I do like that they are reworking the base code to support adding add-ons to a single core).

 

I'm looking forward to the FC3, though, as it's obvious it will be some time before we see a Russian jet in DCS and this is the only game in town..

[Mirtma]

Yes, I would pay for all of them except for A10 which I already have.

[ikaro]

Many of us would like to see a modern fighter A2A, preferably a Sukhoi or Mig fighter, but since I don´t see in the near future, I think it would pay for an update of the Ka50 to Ka-52.

 

That would be amazing!

[jp203000]

The letter didn/t mention Nevada .

[GGTharos]

No, FC3 is being worked on because this level of simulation is quite popular. It has a wider market than the hi-fi aircraft like the A-10C.

 

IMHO, if they say that the airplane can change, too, it means that the next jet is very early in development stages. This is the main reason why the FC3 is being worked on as they need a product they can sell in the meantime and the P-51 doesn't really cover the same territory.

[MemphisBelle]

No, FC3 is being worked on because this level of simulation is quite popular. It has a wider market than the hi-fi aircraft like the A-10C.

 

Although I am not a huge FC fan anymore (I used to be) I am nontheless pretty exited about what features FC3 will provide..

[Esac_mirmidon]

It´s not only negative comments about ED news. All here appreciate the efforts of a Core Base development for DCS world, patches for BS2 and A-10C, new maps, FC3, P-51. All are great news but a very important part of the community are waiting for DCS jet fighter, and news like this only make us wait more and more to see some light around all this dark.

 

And for some of us the dark remains to long in our lives without a DCS approach to a new jet fighter.

[RPY Variable]

It´s not only negative comments about ED news. All here appreciate the efforts of a Core Base development for DCS world, patches for BS2 and A-10C, new maps, FC3, P-51. All are great news but a very important part of the community are waiting for DCS jet fighter, and news like this only make us wait more and more to see some light around all this dark.

 

And for some of us the dark remains to long in our lives without a DCS approach to a new jet fighter.

 

+1

[Dudikoff]

No, FC3 is being worked on because this level of simulation is quite popular. It has a wider market than the hi-fi aircraft like the A-10C.

 

Well, if that's so, it would have made sense to make a core package out of FC rather than DCS as the add-ons for it could be made with much less effort. Or at least a new and similar product with some new airplanes simulated with this light level, rather then a second (third) refresh of the same product set.

 

I'm ready to be surprised, but I don't have my hopes set high for the FC3 feature list containing much other than the latest DCS standard (I hope I'm wrong).

[Nate--IRL--]

(I hope I'm wrong).

 

You'll just have to wait and see ;)

 

Nate

[jp203000]

For present jet fans are forced inderectly by ED to shift their attention from DCS jet to FC3,which give ED a lot of pressure. haha ......

[Dudikoff]

You'll just have to wait and see ;)

 

Nate

 

Well, I REALLY hope your guess from the other thread turn out true (that the FC3 aircraft integrate into DCS core). It would keep up the FC aircraft with the core updates and would make adding new aircraft and updating existing ones much easier. That would really be something!!

Edited April 10, 2012 by Dudikoff

[Nate--IRL--]

Well, I REALLY hope your info from the other thread turn out true (that the FC3 aircraft integrate into DCS core). It would keep up the FC aircraft with the core updates and would make adding new aircraft and updating existing ones much easier. That would really be something!!

 

Just to clarify - my "Info" from the other thread was me speculating about what the "Core" is. I have no solid info. I made that VERY clear in the other thread too. I did ask you not to quote me or worse misquote me.

 

Nate

[Rikus]

I think integrate FC planes into DCS is not the way.

 

FC and DCS are totally different products, and have other users.

 

Greetings

[159th_Viper]

I think integrate FC planes into DCS is not the way.

 

You serious?

 

If I was given the choice of the DCS environment for FC2 planes then it's a no-brainer: Of course I want it........Dynamic weather, ME etc etc etc. Hell yeah - gimme gimme gimme.

 

As for whether you wish to Fly FC planes together with the A-10C and P-51.....well that's up to the individual. Cannot take away the choice based on a couple of dissenting votes - affording a method of integrating the Communities cannot be a bad thing. I'm personally looking forward to the Hog-Roasts at the hand of my beloved Toad :P

[Dudikoff]

Just to clarify - my "Info" from the other thread was me speculating about what the "Core" is. I have no solid info. I made that VERY clear in the other thread too. I did ask you not to quote me or worse misquote me.

 

Sorry, I meant your guess instead of the info.. My original post has been fixed.

[Nate--IRL--]

Sorry, I meant your guess instead of the info.. My original post has been fixed.

 

Thanks :) It is just that I wouldn't want to be accused of misleading anybody.

 

Nate

[Dudikoff]

I think integrate FC planes into DCS is not the way.

 

FC and DCS are totally different products, and have other users.

 

We agree to disagree. Since there's obviously a few years required between each of the DCS releases, it will take a looong time to gather the amount of planes available in Lock On in the DCS. Plus, the FC planes might benefit from other core upgrades (e.g. radar, ECM, RWR, missiles and such) and would thus become more realistical and gain additional features. Furthermore, it's the only choice to fly the Russian planes for the time being. Maybe you don't care for that, but I personally find it more interesting to fly the Russian planes than whatever US plane will come with the DCS:Next (unless it would be the F-14D).

 

If you don't like to mix them, you can always choose not to use/buy it. IMHO, it seems to be a more interesting setting for MP rather then flying the DCS:Next vs DCS:Next for the next X years after its eventual release.