Syria shoots down Turkish F-4

[Aries]

I hope there is now stop to this and we get another cold war to cool things down.

 

Uuuuf... just think of the all new hi-tech fighters that would be assembled if we enter another cold war era... LV-426, your days have been numbered... :smilewink:

[sungsam]

The "one man" whose death became the first (of many) intricate steps towards world war was not just any man, though. Now, if Abdullah Gül had been one of the casualties, then perhaps the parallell could be drawn.

 

Yes, Yes, The Greeks have started the biggest Naval invation some 2900 years ago for the beutifull eyes of Elen of Troy ?or they were ready to do it, but just searching for a reason ?

 

Leopold of Saxe-Coburg was exactly the same !

Edited June 30, 2012 by sungsam

[concrete]

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[sungsam]

I'll give you another sad tip. NATO already asking for Suda base in Crete Greece to Join. As It has already done with Lybia, etc Suda base is most valuable for attacking spot and logistics.

 

(R71) Charles de Gaulle currently located at Maroco

 

I tell you it escalates !

Edited June 30, 2012 by sungsam

[Kenan]

 

So money and conscripts don't really matter... it's gonna be end of days my friends... :cry:

 

There's only a theoretical chance of a nucelar weapon usage. It's like two men stuck in a closed room, each holding a hand grenade. Regardless who throws it first, both are dead.

 

This is why no nation would launch their nuclear missiles. The moment you fire your missile towards my capital, regardless how many lives you've destroyed, I'll be capable to order my own army to do the same to you. So it's pretty much a no-win situation.

 

This is why all the nuclear missile silos are placed in remote locations. Not like they're in the cities so if you take out a city, you've taken out the missiles as well.

 

With the technology we have these days, we're perfectly capable of mass killing ourselves with a good old conventional weapons. Just drop a CBU class bomb over a populated area or a battlefied and that's it..

[EtherealN]

Reminder for everyone:

 

1.7. - No political disputes on the ED forums.

http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en

 

Keep this discussion to the subject or we'll have to lock it.

[HiJack]

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[Vekkinho]

They are not new. They are old Syrian heli's that were repaired in Russia.

 

Same happened with Iraqi Floggers in 1990 that were refurbished in ZMAJ - Yugoslavia. These aircraft never returned to Iraq after they invaded Kuwait.

[Aries]

Do you think they are still in ZMAJ...?

Then there's a chance to make a decent DCS module then... ;)

[VAOZoky]

I think that 2 were destoyed during nato aggresion and that 2 were scraped. But there are more interesting stuff at aeronautical museum in Belgrade http://www.muzejvazduhoplovstva.org.rs/postavka_donja.php?jez=eng&id=6

 

DCS:PPredator UAV :lol:

 

Edited July 1, 2012 by VAO*Zoky

[VAOZoky]

Scrach that, I found it:)

 

DCS:MIG23

 

[Vekkinho]

Yes all of Iraqi Floggers were flown to Batajnica AB in summer 1991. None of them ever saw any combat with former JRV & PVO and plans of their return fell apart after Desert Storm. They used to sit on Batajnica tarmac during 1991-99 when some of them were destroyed during NATO OAF. All planes that survived OAF are preserved in museum near Surcin.

 

 

Sorry for OT.

 

Any ideas or official reports on who actually shot Turkish RF-4? Was it the Russians?

[Pikey]

Turkey deploys 6 F-16's along border in response to Syrian helicopters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18666165

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Turkey deploys 6 F-16's along border in response to Syrian helicopters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18666165

 

This is not military news. This is political news.

[GhostDog]

This is not military news. This is political news.

 

There's a distinction? "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

[sungsam]

Everything in life is about Politics. The way you behave to your Mam is also .... Simply care is needed not to contradict and provoke other people.

 

- Russia sends 2 Su-27 SQNs at Syria

http://www.defencenet.gr

Edited July 2, 2012 by sungsam

[GripenNG]

- Russia sends 2 Su-27 SQNs at Syria

 

Where have you found this information?

[Vekkinho]

I've heard about firefighting Planes offered to US but I haven't heard anything on Su-27 flying to Syria...What are you talking about?

[159th_Viper]

Aye - strange having regard to the fact that the entire fleet has been grounded after the Su-27 crash Thursday.

[sungsam]

Yes, sounds to me as an exageration also. If this info is reliable, it may not has to do with the hot incident (F4) since there is an effort from all sides to finally soften the situation.

 

But on a second thought it may have to do with inner problems in Syria. :dunno:

 

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46471&Itemid=139

[104th_Cobra]

There's a distinction? "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

 

That is a simplification of War by Western philosophers received by Clausewitz. War is more complicated and with a lot more of facets than that. Read "A History of Warfare" by John Keegan. This book is written brilliantly.

 

Edit:

Well, I was rereading about what Keegan wrote and concluded that he is criticized a lot about this position.

In his books he pursues the view of the Man at War. The critics try to assert that he overlooks about politics.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Xpto

[hassata]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18627572

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18685250

[sungsam]

- The USA admitted leaking of report of Turkish fighter RF-4E shot down not only in the Syrian airspace, but close the Syrian coast by firing anti-aircraft guns Pansir 1S .

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46362&Itemid=139

 

- Russian Foreign Minister S.Lavrof confirms that the Turkish fighter RF-4E shot down in Syrian airspace close around the Syrian coast.

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46426&Itemid=139

 

- Virtual Iranian ballistic missile attack on a Turkish air base, Codenamed as "GreatProphet-7" launched yesterday in Iran !

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46555&Itemid=139

Edited July 3, 2012 by sungsam

[Fabri91]

Apparently the bodies of the crew have been found by a US deep-sea vessel:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18707069

[Vekkinho]

Yes, I've read the local newspaper, seems the aircraft is at the depth of 1000m...

 

RIP.