F16 in Lock On still planned?

[SUBS17]

F16? Never been able to fly those in a sim before cant wait to try it out. I wonder if they will model its M61A1 20 mm multibarrel cannon that thing rocks on dude.:icon_roll

 

Falcon 4 Allied Forces features the F-16 block 40,50,52,52CCIP as flyable, I play both F4AF and FC.

 

Its a bit older than lockon but still good.

[SUBS17]

I said Lockon Subs..... Lockon...

 

Lockon ends with v1.2 BlackShark

[355th_Paulie]

Lockon ends with v1.2 BlackShark

 

 

And then we get all the goodies we have been whining for, just look at what we got now, and that on a "borrowed" engine, hehehe, imagine this, ED has had enough time to figure out their own bases, have a more than decent addon, and can build on it for the next couple of years...

[SUBS17]

Yeah its certainly a sim evolving, I'll have to spend more time with FC and see the effects of the latest patch. What I've seen so far is good.

[Prophet_169th]

Reading this thread is better than looking at pr0n.

 

I just wish I had won the powerball over here in the US. If you took the lump sum, after taxes it would have been around 85 Million.

 

I definately would have been calling ED and getting some more coders hired.

 

TK will be a good excuse to buy another 7800GT for SLI. And it should be DX9 I would think..........

 

Oh man... oh man.

 

I think they need to think about doing a SEAD one also. Many people would enjoy that, and if all 3 could work together, it would be one of the most expansive sims ever done.

 

Hell if TK and Destroyers works together in MP it will be.

 

I hope I live to see them both come out, I'm young and nothing forseen, but there are always the freak accidents. Please dont let me die before I get to play this :D

[Alfa]

 

Originally Posted by JonTex

F16? Never been able to fly those in a sim before cant wait to try it out. I wonder if they will model its M61A1 20 mm multibarrel cannon that thing rocks on dude.

 

Falcon 4 Allied Forces features the F-16 block 40,50,52,52CCIP as flyable, I play both F4AF and FC.

 

Its a bit older than lockon but still good.

 

Hehe Subs....JonTex is mastering something called "sarcasm" :icon_wink

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[airea]

So ED has great plans for the future, but what about the estimated release dats of these great sims?

 

-Black Shark for Spring 2006 (would probably be summer 2006 I guess)

-Patch for 1.2, Summer or fall 2006

-Tank killers summer 2007, maybe later

-Destroyers, winter 2009 maybe?

 

All in all, everywhere on earth is at the walking distance, what matters is the time you have...

[britgliderpilot]

So ED has great plans for the future, but what about the estimated release dats of these great sims?

 

-Black Shark for Spring 2006 (would probably be summer 2006 I guess)

-Patch for 1.2, Summer or fall 2006

-Tank killers summer 2007, maybe later

-Destroyers, winter 2009 maybe?

 

All in all, everywhere on earth is at the walking distance, what matters is the time you have...

 

I think you're being optimistic ;)

[britgliderpilot]

So where did you get this idea from about the 2 seaters? I guess you've overlooked the AH64 for Tank Killers:D (what about the 2 seater mod in 1.02)

 

My favourite subject!!

 

(this is getting to be like Alfa with the MiG29K :p )

 

The two-seater mod in v1.02 was based on experimental code that was completely binned with the LAN code. As such, they have to write any two-seater code from scratch now.

 

However . . . . it proved the concept reasonably well, and ED HAVE said they want to include two-seater aircraft in future projects. There won't be any two-seaters in Lomac, certainly . . . . but I definitely wouldn't rule out an AH64 in Tank Killers.

[MBot]

So, that would make JF18 bad sim?

 

No, in fact I regard JF-18 as the overall best sim ever. But ED want to model their planes at a detail level never seen before and wont settle for anything less. And this rules out every plane without sufficent documentation ( USN and most likely every european design ).

[meangreen]

A NATO fast moving A/G plane would be great. What can I say...I'm not a big Mig fan :D

 

The F16 does everything....but from the sounds it will be *some time* before that will happen. Anyway, at least it seems like there is still plans for it in the future. I just hope that ppl buy the upcoming ED sims so they get coin for all their future plans!

[JonTex]

Hehe Subs....JonTex is mastering something called "sarcasm" :icon_wink

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

 

Who me, sarcasm whats that? Im just so happy that there are only two flight sims that I can get my hands on before anyone else that have and will have the F16 as a flyable. I mean why would a company waste there time modeling the F16 as a flyable in Lockon or F4 if like say for example say 6 or 7 other companies have already done it over the past 10 years. That would kill the idea of being a new game right? How could it be new if everyone else has done it? Now what was the Name of that game Falcon 4 ? Is it still in stores? If someone could provide a link to the website that would be good I want to see the screenies I dont buy a game till I see the screens and a review might be garbage .....lmao:)

[phantom_fly85]

No, in fact I regard JF-18 as the overall best sim ever. But ED want to model their planes at a detail level never seen before and wont settle for anything less. And this rules out every plane without sufficent documentation ( USN and most likely every european design ).

 

The F-18 Hornet NAVTOPS manual can be found on the internet as well as several flight training manuals used by the U.S. Navy. So, your assumption that USN documents are not public is simply not true. The Hornet is exported to many UN countries, so the technology is not top secret. Now, if you want info on the F-22, JSF, or Stealth GOOD LUCK!

[Trident]

What I hope is that this second project will not bring AFM and a clickable cockpit to just one existing flyable - it's just agonizing to fly the SFM aircraft alongside in the same sim. Yes, I know this is a monumental undertaking, but I too think that the payoff for this effort would be immense. I'm sure many people would be more than happy to pay good money for such a fundamental overhaul to LOMAC.

[MBot]

The F-18 Hornet NAVTOPS manual can be found on the internet as well as several flight training manuals used by the U.S. Navy. So, your assumption that USN documents are not public is simply not true. The Hornet is exported to many UN countries, so the technology is not top secret. Now, if you want info on the F-22, JSF, or Stealth GOOD LUCK!

 

Well, EDs avionc programmer himselfe said that tac manuals for any USN plane are classified ( they have the NATOPS tough ). This is true even for fighters like the F-14A wich have already been phased out.

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=113372&postcount=25

 

 

This pretty much cancels any hope for a F-14 or F/A-18. Olgerd also said somewhere else that the reference situation is best for USAF/US Army planes/helicopters. Perhaps there are chances for a F-15E somewhere in the far future ? Would at least be cooler than the usual Viper :)

[Wags]

While the F/A-18 NATOPS is readily available, the associated TAC manuals (weapon and sensor systems) are certainly not. A realistic simulation of the F/A-18 cannot not be done without the TACs. However, if you are so certain that F/A-18 TAC manuals can be found on the internet, by all means, please provide the links. Waiting...

 

-Matt

 

The F-18 Hornet NAVTOPS manual can be found on the internet as well as several flight training manuals used by the U.S. Navy. So, your assumption that USN documents are not public is simply not true. The Hornet is exported to many UN countries, so the technology is not top secret. Now, if you want info on the F-22, JSF, or Stealth GOOD LUCK!

[SUBS17]

Who me, sarcasm whats that? Im just so happy that there are only two flight sims that I can get my hands on before anyone else that have and will have the F16 as a flyable. I mean why would a company waste there time modeling the F16 as a flyable in Lockon or F4 if like say for example say 6 or 7 other companies have already done it over the past 10 years. That would kill the idea of being a new game right? How could it be new if everyone else has done it? Now what was the Name of that game Falcon 4 ? Is it still in stores? If someone could provide a link to the website that would be good I want to see the screenies I dont buy a game till I see the screens and a review might be garbage .....lmao:)

 

 

Thats ok, if you don't like F-16s theres always a slot for an AWACs controller:D http://www.lead-pursuit.com/

[JonTex]

No way Sub Im with ya on this one bro seriously i wouldnt mind flying the F16. Even if it feels like year after year we are getting the same christmas presents wrapped in different paper each year if all i can get from the flight sim world is F15 and F16 simulators then so be it dude I really have learned to grin and bear it. I mean yall act like we spend our money for this stuff, beggars cant be choosers right?

 

cheers bro .... have one on me:icon_jook

[meangreen]

Just because the F16 has been done over and over again doesn't mean it should stop. Think about it! Why? Becasue it does everything...fast moving A/A and A/G ability, day / night.....good / bad weather conditions. All you can ask for in one package. And since it has been done so many times over, info is easier to come by. Hey, I'm the first one to say that a F15E or Tornado would rock, but I like the fact that the F16 can do everything which makes a great sim.

 

Status quo is that I have a slow moving A/G and a A/A only option for NATO planes....who would not like to see a NATO addition that does both?

 

ED is doing a great thing by adding in helicopters. It has been some time since we last saw one of those.

 

Anyway, a F16 addition sure would make a lot of people happy and no one can blame any of us who would like to see it added. Is it gonna happen....guess not any time soon but that's what forums are for....feedback.

[SuperKungFu]

Yea if ED makes an F-16 game, that's like lock on combined with F4:AF...which is "suppose" to be the perfect sim. Which is very cool.

[phantom_fly85]

While the F/A-18 NATOPS is readily available, the associated TAC manuals (weapon and sensor systems) are certainly not. A realistic simulation of the F/A-18 cannot not be done without the TACs. However, if you are so certain that F/A-18 TAC manuals can be found on the internet, by all means, please provide the links. Waiting...

 

-Matt

 

Curious, how did Jane's F/A-18 Superhornet development team get information on flight models, weapon systems, ect? I still have that Sim on my hard drive and love it!

 

I would like to see Lockon develop at least the F-18 A,B,C models of the Hornet. As far as the TAC manual? I would think that it could be referenced from an Engineering University that has Aeronatical library materials. Could be on the shelf, but doubt it's in pdf format to be distributed on the internet. At least charts could be found to develop a flight model from. I think we are all guessing potential of the weapon's envelope in any Sim.

 

For anyone's information about Navy manuals and the access to them I do have NATOPS and ACM pdf manuals and are great references for getting a more in depth study into the Flight Simming hobby. I don't need to distribute them, because they can be found with careful research on the internet.

[britgliderpilot]

As far as the TAC manual? I would think that it could be referenced from an Engineering University that has Aeronatical library materials.

 

You mean . . . . the classified TAC manual?

 

 

I go to an engineering university, and have I'm pretty sure we don't have ex-military flight manuals on the shelves. A wealth of information of various kinds, yes . . . . but classified information on how to use a military fighter that isn't actually of much educational use?

 

Err, no.

 

It's fun to spend lazy weekends browsing through to see what you can find - the Cold War editions of Janes ATWA are fantastic :)

[SUBS17]

Curious, how did Jane's F/A-18 Superhornet development team get information on flight models, weapon systems, ect? I still have that Sim on my hard drive and love it!

 

I would like to see Lockon develop at least the F-18 A,B,C models of the Hornet. As far as the TAC manual? I would think that it could be referenced from an Engineering University that has Aeronatical library materials. Could be on the shelf, but doubt it's in pdf format to be distributed on the internet. At least charts could be found to develop a flight model from. I think we are all guessing potential of the weapon's envelope in any Sim.

 

For anyone's information about Navy manuals and the access to them I do have NATOPS and ACM pdf manuals and are great references for getting a more in depth study into the Flight Simming hobby. I don't need to distribute them, because they can be found with careful research on the internet.

 

Considering that the superhornet wasn't yet in service when Janes F/A-18 was made I'd have to say that its knowledge was probably from Janes defence information. They probably also used cockpit mockups to setup the layout of the pit. Most of it was probably a bit of guess work based on some of the features that were listed as its capabilities. I think possibly someone from here might know the full story.

[SUBS17]

Yea if ED makes an F-16 game, that's like lock on combined with F4:AF...which is "suppose" to be the perfect sim. Which is very cool.

 

 

Theres still the Dynamic Campaign which sets F4 apart from any other flight sim.

[214th_Silverfox]

Curious, how did Jane's F/A-18 Superhornet development team get information on flight models, weapon systems, ect? I still have that Sim on my hard drive and love it!

 

I would like to see Lockon develop at least the F-18 A,B,C models of the Hornet. As far as the TAC manual? I would think that it could be referenced from an Engineering University that has Aeronatical library materials. Could be on the shelf, but doubt it's in pdf format to be distributed on the internet. At least charts could be found to develop a flight model from. I think we are all guessing potential of the weapon's envelope in any Sim.

 

For anyone's information about Navy manuals and the access to them I do have NATOPS and ACM pdf manuals and are great references for getting a more in depth study into the Flight Simming hobby. I don't need to distribute them, because they can be found with careful research on the internet.

 

Matt is correct! Most of the materials needed to complete the FA-18 project is classified and not available. Materials pertaining to the radar systems , MFD functions, and weapon systems dynamics is not available for public consumption.

The exported version of the FA-18 is vastly differnt and down graded from the version the US Navy and Marine Corps flies. If you find some of this material on the net I would be highly suspicious of it. Unfortunately for now the FA-18C-F models may not be available to fully integrate in to a sim. You might want to listen to Wags...he knows of what he speaks in this matter!