Next DCS (Russian) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[EtherealN]

lol, nothing wrong with a good wall of text to brighten the graveyard shift. :D

[Cali]

I agree, but don't count on it. ;)

 

Yea, I know, something new will pop up or the same old stuff......just said differently :D

[SmokeyTheLung]

No, the point is very simple:

 

Indeed, I must admit that my response to Tek was intended to be sarcastic. I probably shouldn't have posted it at all.

[Cali]

Indeed, I must admit that my response to Tek was intended to be sarcastic. I probably shouldn't have posted it at all.

 

Did it have the lil green face after it :D

[SmokeyTheLung]

Did it have the lil green face after it :D

 

Now that's a good point :D

[Teknetinium]

lol, nothing wrong with a good wall of text to brighten the graveyard shift. :D

 

good reading,

Edited December 26, 2012 by Teknetinium

[Teknetinium]

iming and homing of missiles with semiactive, active and infrared homing heads, application of uncontrollable weapons and cannon weapons.

Simultaneous track-while-scan of up to 15 targets and firing at 4 of them in the whole angular zone in discrete tracking mode, retaining the scan capability.

Tracking of 2 sea targets and homing one guided missile X-31A at mobile or stationary target

Tracking preliminary target designation for controlled or uncontrolled weapon firing at ground target.

While in the mode of attacking one surface target, simultaneous detection of air targets and firing at 1 target in a long-range air fight.

Fighter flying control during multitarget missiles launching in "air-to-air" mode and during missiles application in "air-to-surface" mode.

The System is adaptable to any kind of MiG-29 fighter

 

Specifications

 

 

• Detection range
  
• (effective scattering area - 5m2), km............................100-120
  
• Lock-on range for automatic tracking, km..............................85
  
• Working frequencies range...................................................X
  
• Max beam deviation in surveillance, aiming and weapon
  application modes, allowing for the aerial correction angle in azimuth,
  provided by drive mechanism...............................................±75°
  
• Electronic scanning by phased array - cone with the
  vertex of angle of................................................................80°
  
• Correction angle in azimuth by drive..................................±35°
  
• Bank stabilization..........................................................±120°
  
• Mean transmitter power, W.............................................1000
  
• Cooling.................................................................air-to-liquid
  
• Weight, Kg.....................................................................250
  

System is based on uniform engineering solutions and maximum unification with RLSU-30MKI(BARS-30MKI) for Su-30MKI aircraft.

 

Source:

NIIP Promotional materials from Aero India 2005

Photo © B. Harry, acig.org (via email)

« Last Edit: January 14, 2006, 03:02:01 pm by overscan »

 

I belive this radars are about to get updated on MKIs

Edited December 26, 2012 by Teknetinium

[Kuky]

^^^

But this is for Su-30MkI exported to India, doesn't apply to Su-27S

[Teknetinium]

^^^

But this is for Su-30MkI exported to India, doesn't apply to Su-27S

 

This data could be used for third party developers if the interest was there.

https://www.box.com/shared/1mexcl31lr

Edited December 26, 2012 by Teknetinium

[Kuky]

ah, got ya

[pakster]

This was before my time, but my understanding is that the R-27's already are "boosted" compared to the documentation. ED has a lot of documentation for a lot of things, but obviously they may or may not be able to share this with us.

 

Regarding the AIM-120 warhead, it's "overpowered" in order to simulate the directional warhead, something the engine (at least in FC2) could not support. I'm not the missile expert though and I don't know if this is different in FC3.

 

Regarding the actual topic of this thread: if anyone has good documentation for more modern migs and flankers, go ahead - perhaps even start a development team and see if you can get licensed to make it. As mentioned previously in this thread, disseminating modern military information to the outside world is something that is a bit dodgy in Russia given that there's so much that is secret or the equivalent of NOFORN; information everyone can get about american planes can still be pretty secret for the russian birds, which is a problem.

 

 

Ok here is another question then... if I or someone get the proper documentation on migs & flankers and can ED will support develop for the DCS World ? But I m talking about basic performance data we all know that even the existing jets in DCS world are not 100% some of the stuff is hidden for secrecy. What I am trying to say at least 65% info on Su35-BM can be found on the web and regarding license so what about SU-27 ?:huh:

[GGTharos]

Is that like how you can find at least 65% of data on the net to help you model an F-22?

[pakster]

Its an example...Like Teknetinium said: if you have the interest you can do it.

 

Anyway, I was looking for polls - How the fans, members, developers think about it. And the polls shows till now we need to have the flankers updated even they 27, 30Mki or whatever. Same methods that you guys done for F-15's and american jets. I don't understand how you get Su-27's on first place and now why it so difficult.

 

In the end I would like to thank everyone participating in this poll and apologizing for any inconvenience post but I want to see and ED to see what the polls say's -----> We need Flankers also ED <----

 

Thank you Gentlemen.

Pakster.

 

PS: Aaaahhh,,, can anyone tell me how to end this poll ? hehehe.....:)

[pakster]

Or you what know I will keep the polls open let us see till the end of January, 2013.....

[pakster]

Goooooo FLANKERS FANS !!!!

[59th_Buncsi]

if someone get the proper documentation on migs can ED will support develop for the DCS World ?

Shortly: maybe in the future...

[EtherealN]

pakster, the problem with the documentation you and people like Tek give is that you grossly underestimate the level of documentation required to make a simulation.

 

And 65% of data on Su-35BM? What the heck is ED supposed to do with that? And how, exactly, did you judge that it is 65%? Do you personally know all the data, classified and not, there is to know about said aircraft and are thus able to say that 65% is what's available? Or did you just approximate a number for the fun of it? ;) (Ie: statistics retrieved from gluteus maximus.)

 

Let's put it like this: a pilot manual is NOT enough to make a simulation of a given aircraft. Not even close. Manufecturer marketing brochures most definitely isn't either. (They are usually WORSE than Wikipedia even. Stop reading them.)

And beyond that, there are legal issues that MUST be considered. Even if the information is available, this might still not be enough because it might be criminal to use the information. (Why this particular point is so easily forgotten for people that want to simulate military equipment I'll never understand... :D )

 

However, if you have the information you feel is all that is necessary, I definitely invite you to put a team together and create your own DCS product. If it's all there and you have some skill in your team, I'm sure you'll have all you need to get a development license from Eagle Dynamics, just show them you've got it and make them believe in you. :)

Edited December 26, 2012 by EtherealN

[Teknetinium]

pakster, the problem with the documentation you and people like Tek give is that you grossly underestimate the level of documentation required to make a simulation.

 

And 65% of data on Su-35BM? What the heck is ED supposed to do with that? And how, exactly, did you judge that it is 65%? Do you personally know all the data, classified and not, there is to know about said aircraft and are thus able to say that 65% is what's available? Or did you just approximate a number for the fun of it? ;) (Ie: statistics retrieved from gluteus maximus.)

 

Let's put it like this: a pilot manual is NOT enough to make a simulation of a given aircraft. Not even close. Manufecturer marketing brochures most definitely isn't either. (They are usually WORSE than Wikipedia even. Stop reading them.)

And beyond that, there are legal issues that MUST be considered. Even if the information is available, this might still not be enough because it might be criminal to use the information. (Why this particular point is so easily forgotten for people that want to simulate military equipment I'll never understand... :D )

 

However, if you have the information you feel is all that is necessary, I definitely invite you to put a team together and create your own DCS product. If it's all there and you have some skill in your team, I'm sure you'll have all you need to get a development license from Eagle Dynamics, just show them you've got it and make them believe in you. :)

 

If even a manual is not enough then you should stop asking people for documentation, I never sen you provide any.

[EtherealN]

Manuals are fine.

 

If it is the correct manual.

 

The point is: the manuals people find on the internet are usually -1 or -1-equivalent. They do NOT contain the requisite information. There are other manuals that do, however. Unfortunately, these are often locked away in bunkers. (Literally!)

 

As for me or ED "providing documentaiton", come on Tek. Read what I have posted. If you want to indulge in a adult discourse you might want to at least show that you are capable of reading what you are being told. I even made it bold for your benefit.

Edited December 26, 2012 by EtherealN

[EtherealN]

Here's an example that is quite case in point, Tek: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1636362&postcount=131

 

What exactly do you expect anyone to do with that?

[Teknetinium]

Here's an example that is quite case in point, Tek: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1636362&postcount=131

 

What exactly do you expect anyone to do with that?

 

 

Why not third party developers are making F-15E.

[EtherealN]

Relation to the post you are responding to?

 

The people doing F-15E are not modeling it based on brochures.

[Pyroflash]

The people doing F-15E are not modeling it based on brochures.

 

..Or are they? :D

 

In all seriousness though, the third parties doing this stuff probably have access to resources that 95% (yes, I did pull this out of my dirty place) of us do not even know exist, let alone have quick access to on the internet. Not saying that this is illegally obtained or used info, just info that is outside of the scope of google-fu.

Edited December 26, 2012 by Pyroflash

[Teknetinium]

Relation to the post you are responding to?

 

The people doing F-15E are not modeling it based on brochures.

 

Im not third party modeler, Im sorry me posting basic info about Su-27MKI :)

Could you plz show me one video of F-15E MFD in action? (not a video of a guided bomb drop)

http://www.f-15e.info/joomla/technology/cockpit

 

I would like to see how this ones are working in Su-27sm as well.

http://rpkb.ru/eng/index.php_page_id=15.html

Edited December 26, 2012 by Teknetinium

[Alfa]

iming and homing of missiles with semiactive, active and infrared homing heads, application of uncontrollable weapons and cannon weapons.

Simultaneous track-while-scan of up to 15 targets and firing at 4 of them in the whole angular zone in discrete tracking mode, retaining the scan capability.

Tracking of 2 sea targets and homing one guided missile X-31A at mobile or stationary target

Tracking preliminary target designation for controlled or uncontrolled weapon firing at ground target.

While in the mode of attacking one surface target, simultaneous detection of air targets and firing at 1 target in a long-range air fight.

Fighter flying control during multitarget missiles launching in "air-to-air" mode and during missiles application in "air-to-surface" mode.

 

The System is adaptable to any kind of MiG-29 fighter

 

Specifications

 

 

• Detection range
  
• (effective scattering area - 5m2), km............................100-120
  
• Lock-on range for automatic tracking, km..............................85
  
• Working frequencies range...................................................X
  
• Max beam deviation in surveillance, aiming and weapon
  application modes, allowing for the aerial correction angle in azimuth,
  provided by drive mechanism...............................................±75°
  
• Electronic scanning by phased array - cone with the
  vertex of angle of................................................................80°
  
• Correction angle in azimuth by drive..................................±35°
  
• Bank stabilization..........................................................±120°
  
• Mean transmitter power, W.............................................1000
  
• Cooling.................................................................air-to-liquid
  
• Weight, Kg.....................................................................250
  

System is based on uniform engineering solutions and maximum unification with RLSU-30MKI(BARS-30MKI) for Su-30MKI aircraft.

 

Source:

NIIP Promotional materials from Aero India 2005

Photo © B. Harry, acig.org (via email)

« Last Edit: January 14, 2006, 03:02:01 pm by overscan »

 

I have highlighted a couple of passages that you should pay attention to :)

 

I belive this radars are about to get updated on MKIs

 

Based on the above mentioned highlighted passages and that the PR material is from Aero India 2005, I am pretty sure that it concerns the "Bars-29" - a smaller version of the N011M Bars radar(installed in Su-30MKI) that NIIP promoted for upgrading India's MiG-29 fleet.

 

I.e. not for the Su-30MKI, which already has the full size version of the radar.

 

Anyway, in the end the Indians didn't go for it - the upgrade program for their MiG-29 fleet has already been finalised and deliveries commenced under the designation "MiG-29UPG", which is equipped with the Zhuk-ME radar(also installed in the MiG-29K/KUB) produced Phazatron-NIIR :) .

Edited December 26, 2012 by Alfa