Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 I made a mission with two Foxbats that were to intercept a B1 9carrying AGM 154s i think) with a lone F16C as escort. First of all the F16 made mince meat of the two Migs but to my horror I looked at the speed of the intercepting Mig 25s. They barely reached Mach 0.7 :eek: I mean they were soooo blooody slooooww. Full reheat with those BIG engines not even getting to the sound barrier. Now COME ON ED, whats going on? A very discruntled Mizzy :D
Raploc Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 F-16+ECM+AMRAAM = Killer plane from Hell In LOMAC the F-16 is one heck of a killer. So yes it will kill your MiG-25 without even blinking.
Yellonet Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 No offense but what did you set their speed to? And sadly how much thrust the AI use have no bearing on their speed :icon_neut i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
britgliderpilot Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 A fetish for the Foxbat, I sense (rubs chin in Yoda pose) . . . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
D-Scythe Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 I brought this issue up with ED some while ago too, about AI speeds and stuff. It's not only A/A combat though - the AI exhibits really strange behaviour A/G too.
192nd_Erdem Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Try some Foxhounds instead. Then sit back and have your tea while hordes of F-16's get toasted.Mmmm... (no,I only have Sukhoi fetish)
D-Scythe Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Try some Foxhounds instead. Then sit back and have your tea while hordes of F-16's get toasted.Mmmm... (no,I only have Sukhoi fetish) That's not the issue. The Foxhounds are also going to engage at 700 kmph too. Here's the thread where I posted my findings: http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=10533
Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 Sorry but I can't speak technical about this BUT..... Even I know that the Mig 25 can break the sound barrier ;) so when I set the mission up to intercept these American planes, they just dordle (is that a word! well never mind) along at well below supersonic speed. Now come on, this F16 is racing like bloody hell (supersonic I might add) across the virtual sky and the poor Foxbat can't break into a bloody sweat. Sorry ED but this is just NOT ON! The foxbat needs attention straight away, its a rocket for goodness sake...... We need all Foxbat fans up in arms and a petition to Moscow to show our complete dissatisfaction. Mizzy :)
Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 See what I mean! I could run quicker than that :) Mizzy
golfsierra2 Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 F-16+ECM+AMRAAM = Killer plane from Hell In LOMAC the F-16 is one heck of a killer. So yes it will kill your MiG-25 without even blinking. Try to outmanouver a F-4F... I'm not that bad in my MiG29S, but AI on a Phantom II always gives me a hard time. kind regards, Raven.... [sigpic]http://www.crc-mindreader.de/CRT/images/Birds2011.gif[/sigpic]
355th_Paulie Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Just out of curiousity, Mizzy, are you absolute shure you put the speed indicator, in the mission editor to the max? I make missions on a regular bases, and know for shure the Foxbat fies at maximum speed. :D
Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 Just out of curiousity, Mizzy, are you absolute shure you put the speed indicator, in the mission editor to the max? I make missions on a regular bases, and know for shure the Foxbat fies at maximum speed. Yep the Foxbats were told to get their arse there as quick as they can! Someone must have noticed this before surely :confused: Can you tell me how you did it cos I am getting right into Lock on! Thank you Mizzy
SwingKid Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 See what I mean! I could run quicker than that :) Whoa... It doesn't matter what the speed is in the editor. The MiG-29 can barely get airborne, at that speed, at sea level. <300 km/h at over 100,000' altitude? The MiG-25 in the screenshot should be falling like a stone. You need to be supersonic just to stay airborne at that height - or, have wings like a U-2. Nice find! -SK
Yellonet Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Anyways... did a few intercept tests were two MiG-25/MiG-31/Su-27 try taking on a single F-16. No once did they shoot it down :( All their missiles miss! i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
VapoR Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 See what I mean! I could run quicker than that :) LMAO!! She's so cute . . . :D
Gazehound Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 See what I mean! I could run quicker than that :) Perhaps you should give it a more gentle slope, rather than set the first wp on the runway and the second at max alt. Take it up to 8k, go level, then climb again...etc etc, all at max speed (just guessing here). VVS504 Red Hammers
Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 Could you send me the mission? Yep where do I send it to? Mizzy
TucksonSonny Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 I made a mission with two Foxbats that were to intercept a B1 9carrying AGM 154s i think) with a lone F16C as escort. First of all the F16 made mince meat of the two Migs but to my horror I looked at the speed of the intercepting Mig 25s. They barely reached Mach 0.7 :eek: I mean they were soooo blooody slooooww. Full reheat with those BIG engines not even getting to the sound barrier. Now COME ON ED, whats going on? A very discruntled Mizzy :D It looks like the Mig-25 “foxbat” was climbing at high angle and was almost going into stall in that screenshot. Note that the Mig-25 has not that good climb rate 680ft/sec (F-15C and Flankers have about 1000ft/sec and the F-16C about 333ft/sec) I think that the Mig was trying to go high with the F-16 because the F-16 is performing much better at sea level and has also better corner speed with 9G limit (F-16CG Block 40/42 top speed at sea level: 796kts and Mig-25 “Foxbat” top speed at sea level: 564kts and with max 5G limit) This is of course different at high altitude top-speed with 1837kts for the Mig-25 (about 1300kts for the F-16CG Block 40/42) Note also that the Mig-25 “foxbat” has about 88 580ft ceiling (F-16 only 50 000ft). This is of course guessing and it would more easy to analyze what is going wrong if you could bring out the mission. A Cleverer mig-25 AI could easy outrun all the slammers launched at him but my guess is that the AI beast was programmed to go direct in duel with the F-16 which is a very bad idea.:cool: DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
EvilBivol-1 Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Umm, pardon me if I'm being stupid, but that screenshot is not showing data in imperial numbers? - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 26, 2005 ED Team Posted October 26, 2005 Umm, pardon me if I'm being stupid, but that screenshot is not showing data in imperial numbers? Heh. Seems to be so. Just look at the altitude. :rolleyes: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Cobra360 Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 And it's a bit too bright if that was 38km up.:D
TucksonSonny Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 And it's a bit too bright if that was 38km up.:D Definitely NOT 38 km altitude LOL:rolleyes: (75 000ft is about 23km) DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 This Foxbat can't fly to Mach 1 poor thing :( Its a sad sad world when you can't get your Foxbat over Mach 2!! Eagle Dynamics... you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am on the next flight to Moscow and lodging a formal personal complaint. We want a FAST Foxbat... when do we want it....... NOW!! :D Its been a long day doing nothing but play games hehe. Mizzy.
Mizzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 Umm, pardon me if I'm being stupid, but that screenshot is not showing data in imperial numbers? Yep my settings are all imperial, can't work out metric and I failed my maths 'O' Level. I will try some other missions but I have tried missions where the Foxbat fly really high (just like I read about them) but they can't go supersonic :( A real dissapointment....but I can live with it I supposed ;) Mizzy
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