DCS SA342 Gazelle Project

[bart]

With the M2000C release on Christmas morning, I'm hoping for the Gazelle on Easter weekend! :joystick:

 

yup............me too. :music_whistling:

 

EDIT

 

Latest newsletter is up http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=151478&page=3

 

no mention of the Gazelle :(

Edited March 25, 2016 by bart

[Penshoon]

We will have to agree to disagree. I dont believe the pilot has to fight against the hydraulics like you say. In training Huey pilots weren't even allowed to use force trim. The control forces weren't heavy like in a fixed wing aircraft. I've drawn us way off topic. No reason why you shouldn't have your force feedback. I never suggested otherwise. I only questioned what exactly you were looking for. Based on what I've read from you so far I'm sorry I asked.

Force trim adds a fine pressure gradient for more feel and in the sim this helps keeping it stable as you lack the g forces that would help you control the input irl. But even without any force trim the cyclic still should have a "feel" irl from mechanical friction and the damping from the hydralic system that a ffb device can simulate. For active manouvering a sloppy cyclic is great as you don't really need fine control but for hovering or slow flight the trim reference is a huge help for me atleast. Keeping the stick deflected from the trimmed position shouldn't require much force at all compared to a sloppy stick as the hydralic system should be light but having a reference to move the input around makes it less fatiguing in long flights. Thats what my limited research in huey flight has told me atleast.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Penshoon

[Jacks]

The constant waiting and being kept in the dark that is DCS is becoming tiresome and has driven so many people away from this otherwise great sim. I guess one day we may see transparency and devs/ED adaquately communicating with their potential customer base.

[Enduro14]

I suggest use your money and go get real flight lessons for those who are not real pilots. Much better than the DCS world roller coaster.

[fixen]

The constant waiting and being kept in the dark that is DCS is becoming tiresome and has driven so many people away from this otherwise great sim. I guess one day we may see transparency and devs/ED adaquately communicating with their potential customer base.

 

Nah, it's some of the costumers that need to change. When it's done it's done. People always want a status update, just relax.

You allready have a really nice platform to play on. And we hear a lot about the gazelle's development and it came together really quickly. Just wait it out. It's not going to be any faster when they release a status update every day.

[Pikey]

Lol that's funny. How much did you radio cost when you fried it the other day Jacks?

I suggest use your money and go get real flight lessons for those who are not real pilots. Much better than the DCS world roller coaster.

Real flying is frigging expensive!

[Enduro14]

It is expensive but a great time filler while we wait for Dcs world to become whole again. Dont get me wrong im very excited for the Gazelle!

[Home Fries]

It is expensive but a great time filler while we wait for Dcs world to become whole again. Dont get me wrong im very excited for the Gazelle!

 

For my $40, I got more out of the Huey module than I have from a wet rental of a C152.

[SpaceCroissant]

Latest newsletter is up http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=151478&page=3

 

no mention of the Gazelle :(

 

Damn, I was really hoping for Gazelle news today :(

[dimitriov]

For the little fun fact, door mechanism is the same than on the renault 4 L

 

:p

[Pikey]

[Devil's advocate hat on]

There's now quite a few developers and also ED, and unsurprisingly they all have different stratregies for communicating with their customer, all on the same forums. Some of the companies have changed their communication strategies durign their sales cycles. ED has gone through several different methods, being very noisy, then very quiet.

 

It's fairly difficult as a consumer to have appropriate expectations because of this change. And, that customers have incorrectly set expectations, is down to the developers in their communications. If a developer wants to release a video of their product to create excitement, they are also stirring up their consumer base deliberately and need to court the relevant disappointment when dates come and go and everything is quiet. There's nothing unusual in this, but to be surprised on either side of the fence of the reaction, is quite naive.

 

Consistency would be a better approach, people deal with it better.

 

Nah, it's some of the costumers that need to change. When it's done it's done. People always want a status update, just relax.

You allready have a really nice platform to play on. And we hear a lot about the gazelle's development and it came together really quickly. Just wait it out. It's not going to be any faster when they release a status update every day.

[Jacks]

[atonium83]

Damn, I was really hoping for Gazelle news today :(

 

Yep.... As we can see, there are some really good news from ED.... --' :music_whistling:

[TomCatMucDe]

I am a real pilot and own my own aircraft thanks enduro if you want a flight sometime let me know ������.

 

Customers don't need to change, I am happy if it is released next week or next year, I can wait. But being told it is about to be released and then nothing more heard with everyone regularly checking the forums is my complaint. If today ED added to their update, the Gazelle release has been slipped for this reason or it is a matter of weeks away or a matter of days then I would be happy. We had clear communication like this in the countdown to 2.0 and I for one appreciated it.

I agree, there is a kind of communication blackout thats a bit frustrating.

[TomCatMucDe]

Yep.... As we can see, there are some really good news from ED.... --' :music_whistling:

 

some good news? like what?

[shagrat]

Consistency would be a better approach, people deal with it better.

Make that some people. There are multiple reasons the communication strategies changed... Especially, when the community, or let's say, some customers attitude changed for the worse.

 

The worst misconception seems to be how much time and effort has to be invested into a simulation module. ;)

 

I guess everyone in this thread is anxiously awaiting the Gazelle.

Yet we can't speed up development by posting here or wishful thinking.

 

Does anybody think deliberate delay is the strategy fir ED or any 3rd Party? I mean really?

Every module I can remember was launched and put at least into OpenBeta as soon as there was enough work done to at least fly it and work the majority of systems... Then they went to work and tweaked and fixed and made it better and better.

 

So in the end we can rest assured when it's done, they will release... Or shortly before that. ;)

[Jacks]

Shagrat, the point being made is not the pace of releases but rather keeping potential customers informed and communication. Like everyone here I am happy to wait as long as it takes for a high fidelity module to be released and will not complain, but I feel left in the dark and that is frustrating. Also I do not feel valued as a customer despite having invested a considerably amount of money in this sim already.

 

Just my two pence worth.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Jacks

[Home Fries]

Concur 100% with Jacks. When Polychop is implying that everything is now in ED's hands, then ED should at least acknowledge the elephant in the room with the pending module. Even something like "targeted for the next build pending a few bug fixes" is better than nothing, and most reasonable people are not asking for specific dates but rather timeframes that should tighten as release approaches.

[Pikey]

Nicely missed the entire point there Shagrat, then you said that only some people like a consistent approach to communication. So...please do give examples of people that prefer inconsistent approaches to communication, because you know what, I want to hear more nonsense coming from the forums, it will pass the time whilst we wait for somehting worth while to read :)

Make that some people. There are multiple reasons the communication strategies changed... Especially, when the community, or let's say, some customers attitude changed for the worse.

 

The worst misconception seems to be how much time and effort has to be invested into a simulation module. ;)

 

I guess everyone in this thread is anxiously awaiting the Gazelle.

Yet we can't speed up development by posting here or wishful thinking.

 

Does anybody think deliberate delay is the strategy fir ED or any 3rd Party? I mean really?

Every module I can remember was launched and put at least into OpenBeta as soon as there was enough work done to at least fly it and work the majority of systems... Then they went to work and tweaked and fixed and made it better and better.

 

So in the end we can rest assured when it's done, they will release... Or shortly before that. ;)

[shagrat]

Me for example, the ED staff, VEAO many people who got annoyed by the constant critcism and nitpicking... Everybody was happy to change the communication strategy. I'm not saying everybody is happy about that, just some people on the other side of the fence.

[atonium83]

some good news? like what?

 

 

lol it was ironic

[Enduro14]

I am a real pilot and own my own aircraft thanks enduro if you want a flight sometime let me know ������.

 

Customers don't need to change, I am happy if it is released next week or next year, I can wait. But being told it is about to be released and then nothing more heard with everyone regularly checking the forums is my complaint. If today ED added to their update, the Gazelle release has been slipped for this reason or it is a matter of weeks away or a matter of days then I would be happy. We had clear communication like this in the countdown to 2.0 and I for one appreciated it.

 

I agree with you the comms does suck at times. The flight offer could be cool im stationed in Germany Currently so not to far.

[Yurgon]

The constant waiting and being kept in the dark [...]

 

Yes. Quite obviously, Polychop and their representatives figured out this evil - I dare say masterfully devious - plan where they fired the hype, made us all long for news, and then went off the grid in order to shatter everyone's expectations. Yeah, their perceived lack of communications is obviously meant to "keep us in the dark"...

 

I've heard this so often. Why no news about the A-10C? ED is going bankrupt! BST are deceiving us, they deny us news, the modules never leave Beta status, if only they at least communicated!!!1!!! No, F/A-18C doesn't need to get released tomorrow, the day after tomorrow would be quick enough, but if only they talked about it!!! Oh noes, they said there's a delay, they have the worst program management ever, this is never going to work, they're doing everything wrong, I DEMAND AN ANSWERRRRR!!!

 

So, now that some of the Polychop guys might want to take a day off (Easter holidays, remember?), this is construed as "keeping us in the dark"? Seriously?

 

Well, while some people here seem to have nothing better to do than complain about something that didn't happen, I'm off flying a couple new Huey missions. :pilotfly: :D

 

Edit: Forgot to mention, I'm actually quite happy with the way Polychop stay in touch with the community. So even if they deliberately took some days off (not sure if that's even the case), I really don't care.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Yurgon

[dimitriov]

IMO, and speaking for myself, you should consider that less time is spent on the forums, more is spent on the development. It's understandable to disapprove the lack of informations. But it's really not a "plan" to rise up the hype, just that the goal is to release a complete product, and it's done for you :)

 

Once it'll be released, you'll learn a lot more in few hours by yourself than with any videos which could have been made. So in these conditions, it's up to you to choose : a lot of time spent on the forums by the devs, and a half finished product, or the opposite. ;)

 

Nicolas

[Jacks]

Surely customer relations are a key part of product development regardless of industry or product type. I am not suggesting any dev spends all day on the forums but rather ED keep their loyal customers informed on the progress of a product and by progress rough timeframes would suffice as mentioned above.

 

RAZBAM seem able to develop at a startling rate whilst maintain exemplary customer relations and communication.

 

I am not complaining about Polychop's level of communication as I regular check and post on their FB page and have been very impressed with the quality and frequency of updates regarding a number of their products under development. But I like many other members on this forum are excited about the release of the gazelle and feel that after an initial indication of the release date, things have gone quite. As I have stated previously, I am not concerned about when it is released but rather would like to have an idea when so I can budget for the purchase and stop checking their FB page and forum several times idea in anticipation of a possible unannounced release.