Announcing Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3

[pepin1234]

So... how did you arrive at this?

No, talking to your friends and squadron does not count. ;)

 

If you believe you know the answer better than those that analyze market data for a living, I'm curious to see exactly how you reached the conclusion. :)

 

 

 

How is the question of a cockpit (which is the one difference here, really) relevant to the combat experience?

 

And yes, some customers will not get what they actually wanted, it is absolutely impossible to please everyone. That's just a fact of life. Fortunately however, if you don't feel it's worth the money for your own particular tastes, you are not forced to purchase the product. You won't lose anything of what you have.

 

OOOHHH yes. The best analyze market we could make is flying in MP. You can see how popular they are. And of course I am not talking about how you feel in combat with a 3D cockpit, with shadows etc... I am sure you got the idea, but if you are a tester and you give this answer, it is normal we receive the FC3 like that...

[GGTharos]

The best analyze market we could make is flying in MP.

 

No, it is not.

[Dejjvid]

I'm 100% sure ED would love to skip FC3 and release all aircrafts as full featured DCS titles.

But then there's a thing some people call reality. That reality do not allow humans to clone themselves. And who knows, the fighter we're all waiting for might be a Su-27 or Mig-29... :)

[Pilotasso]

They already said "US Fixed wing, Russ maybe after that". In ther mean time Im willing to bet there will be other 3rd party Modules like Mig-21. We will eventually See Mig-29SMT.

[pepin1234]

No, it is not.

 

yes it is. Look how many people are upset with all that. what else you like...

[Pilotasso]

Forums = World/many times over (note Divide, no multiply ;) )

[Nate--IRL--]

yes it is. Look how many people are upset with all that. what else you like...

 

Multiplayer is unimaginably minuscule compared to Singleplayer sales.

 

Nate

[pepin1234]

Multiplayer is unimaginably minuscule compared to Singleplayer sales.

 

Nate

 

 

:lol::megalol: all right. So you say us singlerplayer is the perfect plataform to see wich plane is more flyable. My god!...

[Dejjvid]

They already said "US Fixed wing, Russ maybe after that". In ther mean time Im willing to bet there will be other 3rd party Modules like Mig-21. We will eventually See Mig-29SMT.

 

Yea, but check out the last sentence of Wags' sig.. :) We will know when ED feel it is time to announce it. I've got a Su-33 in a few weeks. I'm happy :)

[EtherealN]

yes it is. Look how many people are upset with all that. what else you like...

 

Pepin, do you realize that not even 1% of ED customers actually fly online?

 

Most people that fly simulators are SP-focused.

"Flying MP" and taking numbers from that is a bit like taking a trip round the winter palace dining room in 1917 and deciding that "as we can see, support for the Tzar is overwhelming"... ;)

 

If you want to use a very small subset of a population (be they "residents of country X" or "players of game Y") towards figuring out the general attitudes of the whole population, you need to apply controls to make sure that your cohort is actually representative, not viable to errors through chance, confirmation bias in the reporter, etcetera etcetera.

[Pilotasso]

Yea, but check out the last sentence of Wags' sig.. :) We will know when ED feel it is time to announce it. I've got a Su-33 in a few weeks. I'm happy :)

 

Did you also miss the part they said they are already developing "US fixed wing" In paralel to the Nevada and FC3? :)

 

My estimate is that we will see it a year from now (based on current release intervals, and their 9 month initial estimates).

[GGTharos]

No, it isn't. The majority of people who play these games play off-line. MP is a tiny minority right now, but hopefully this will change.

 

yes it is. Look how many people are upset with all that. what else you like...

[pepin1234]

Yea, but check out the last sentence of Wags' sig.. :) We will know when ED feel it is time to announce it. I've got a Su-33 in a few weeks. I'm happy :)

 

Dejvid how old are you?? did you read the answer have written the testers??

[cichlidfan]

:lol::megalol: all right. So you say us singlerplayer is the perfect plataform to see wich plane is more flyable. My god!...

 

Say that you walk into a room (or several rooms) and see how many people have blonde hair.

 

Does that give you any information about the hair color of the rest of the people in the world (aside from the fact that some will likely have blonde hair)?

 

No, it does not.

[Dejjvid]

:lol::megalol: all right. So you say us singlerplayer is the perfect plataform to see wich plane is more flyable. My god!...

 

I wild guess is that 30% of the FC and DCS users is registered on these forums. And less then 70% of those fly online. I get surprised frequently when we get new members to our squad that have flown the A-10C for several months SP. But never ever flown online before they joined us.

[cichlidfan]

I wild guess is that 30% of the FC and DCS users is registered on these forums. And less then 70% of those fly online. I get surprised frequently when we get new members to our squad that have flown the A-10C for several months SP. But never ever flown online before they joined us.

 

I have been around for a little while now and I have only flown online (private server with one other player) once.

[Pilotasso]

In servers that keep stats you will see about 500 players with meaningfull online play. You think they only sold 500 copies??

[pepin1234]

I wild guess is that 30% of the FC and DCS users is registered on these forums. And less then 70% of those fly online. I get surprised frequently when we get new members to our squad that have flown the A-10C for several months SP. But never ever flown online before they joined us.

 

OOHHH yeah. And that way is taken ED you will se a lot of people starting learnig the F-15. Normal!

[Dejjvid]

OOHHH yeah. And that way is taken ED you will se a lot of people starting learnig the F-15. Normal!

 

I don't follow you pepin. I hope someone else do.

[oniellnz]

Thanks Eagle Dynamics for continuing a genre that has dwindled in the past ten years. :thumbup:

 

I have been flight simming for 30 years, and have been spoilt by some very good sims.

 

For me Tornado, F-22 Total Air War and the original Gunship are my benchmarks. They may not of had the best flight dynamics, and defiantly not the best graphics, but they are fun (yes still fun) and offer a challenge in their campaigns and systems.

 

That was 20 years ago, and we have moved on, mostly with lookalike FPS and RPGs, which sell LOTS. Most of the big players are in it for the money, and any developer that gets sucked in to one of these corporates gets all the creativity and time kicked out on them. Basically the big boys will only sell arcade games with pretty graphics to appease the masses, that includes arcade flight games. :joystick:

 

Eagle dynamics is taking a solid Idea (one world with a number of platforms to fly / drive) and starting to make it work. By taking FC2 and making it a modal immediately gives you 8 extra aircraft to flight and fight in for a very good price. The work required to move a stand alone product (FC3) and put it into a system that can run anything, is a lot. If we want to keep having combat flight sims for jet aircraft, Eagle Dynamics is now pretty much it.

 

As for balance when FC3 aircraft get in the mix with the A-10C etc, Get over it. This is a sim, not a game. Real life doesn't have balance.

 

I will be Getting FC3, and here New Zealand, even with the exchange rate, FC3 is still cheaper than going to the movies!

 

:pilotfly:

[Dejjvid]

In servers that keep stats you will see about 500 players with meaningfull online play. You think they only sold 500 copies??

 

Not following you either Pilotasso.

 

10000 copies sold.

3000 registered on forums.

2300(ish) multiplayers.

 

I have no clue about any of these figures, it's an example. The point is the multiplayer community is way, way smaller then the total user community.

[Dimebag]

All I know is that the impending release of FC3 really does excite me, I will most likely get it upon release.

[Pilotasso]

Was not inteded for you Dej. Should have placed a quote, my bad.

[luza]

I hope for ED's sake multiplayer is a minority of sales, since their attention towards it has been hardly noticable. Dedicated servers HELLO?! DCSW Bugs that crash the game in multiplayer? Connection interrupted?.

[Frostie]

So... how did you arrive at this?

No, talking to your friends and squadron does not count. ;)

 

If you believe you know the answer better than those that analyze market data for a living, I'm curious to see exactly how you reached the conclusion. :)

I don't know how he came to that conclusion but here is a portion of facts built on these forums.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=56727&highlight=favourite

F-15 = 44

Su27 = 36

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=21345&highlight=favourite

F-15 = 32

Su27 = 76

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=26186&highlight=poll

F-15 = 34

Su27 = 48

MiG29 = 73

 

Nothing overwhelming here but surveys nonetheless.

With regards to multiplayer/singleplayer is it really unreasonable to accept that an aircraft which gets flown by most online is going to receive similair attention offline. Or are offline players wired different to online players, they have a proF-15 gene maybe?:D

 

During the month of August the top 50 pilots in the 51st server that flew a collective of almost 1000 hours, these were the predominate choice of aircraft.

 

Su27 = 24 players

F-15 = 16

MiG29 = 5

evenly varied = 5