P-51D, not boring....

[VH-Rock]

I already did.

 

Indeed, this release has seen many people showing symptoms of 'CoDS' (Call of Duty Syndrome - a medical condition where if you can't go fast, shoot, blow S**t up but actually have to put some effort in to it, results in endless amounts of moaning).

 

Currently, there is no cure, but I've heard doctors are looking for a solution. Apparently hypnotism is being considered...

[fjacobsen]

No one is forced to buy the P-51D.

 

I think everyone should be aware that a P-51d isn´t as complex as the A-10C or the KA-50.

 

So it cannot come to a surprice that learning the systems of the P-51 would come far faster than the two other titels.

 

Personally I see a problem with it´s integration into DCS wolrd, which is a modern scenery with powerlines and modern buildings.

 

I also find thr lack of aerial opponents reducings it's use.

 

But I hope that we will see one or two AI opponents, like the BF-109 or FW-190.

 

But I´m not disappointed about the P-51D and rather see it as a study sim to how to operate it.

 

 

FinnJ

[ami7b5]

How can WWII be dead an done? It's the greatest era of air combat the world will ever see.

And it's only been done in PC sims that are almost a decade old. It has yet to be done well. There's a whole new generation of players eager for a well done WWII flight sim who aren't going to be satisfied by last gen products. A full WWII sim at the caliber of DCS would be astounding. P-51D is a step in the right direction.

 

This!

[cheap charlie]

I've flown all of the above. DCS beats them all by miles, especially when it comes to things like stalls.

 

 

At this point I take it you didn't read the manual, which clearly explains the controls, gauges, and how to use them. I don't know how you're going to tell if you're climbing or not from the outside, there is nothing there to provide that info (well, besides the altitude display, but that's replicated in the P-51 cockpit along with Rate of Climb). Incidently, when my RoC says 0, I'm level.

 

 

 

You've been given multiple ways to adjust the stick in this thread, and yes it works.

 

 

You just might not be cut out for simulators.

 

"At this point I take it you didn't read the manual, which clearly explains the controls, gauges, and how to use them. I don't know how you're going to tell if you're climbing or not from the outside, there is nothing there to provide that info (well, besides the altitude display, but that's replicated in the P-51 cockpit along with Rate of Climb). Incidently, when my RoC says 0, I'm level."

 

 

He is quite correct. In the real world and in sims you can set an attitude and RPM to give a certain speed and in a high maneuvering scenario as would apply to the P51 its much easier to fly using the horizon since your eyes are outside chasing the enemy.

I to noticed that the horizon is nearly non existent so we only have the hills as reference and this can be very deceiving.

Edited October 18, 2012 by cheap charlie

[Echo38]

In the real world and in sims you can set an attitude and RPM to give a certain speed and in a high maneuvering scenario as would apply to the P51 its much easier to fly using the horizon since your eyes are outside chasing the enemy.

 

What exactly are you trying to say here?

[cheap charlie]

What exactly are you trying to say here?

 

The horizon is used to set an attitude. take a simple c152 or any small training aircraft and you use the horizon as reference. eg 1/3 land and 2/3 sky + 2200rpm= straight and level flight and the correct airspeed for cruise. 2/3 land and 1/3 sky and a reduced RPM of 1800 = the correct airspeed for descent and 500 fpmn VS ( the actual figures will vary somewhat)

 

 

just about all flight condition can be replicated by the horizon reference including 30 deg and 60 deg of bank all without the need to have your head in the cockpit except for a bit of of cross referance. In one of the early training vids the instructor say to turn towards land as its disorientating at sea, this is because there is a lack of a clear horizon

Edited October 18, 2012 by cheap charlie

[Madcop]

Indeed, this release has seen many people showing symptoms of 'CoDS' (Call of Duty Syndrome - a medical condition where if you can't go fast, shoot, blow S**t up but actually have to put some effort in to it, results in endless amounts of moaning).

 

Currently, there is no cure, but I've heard doctors are looking for a solution. Apparently hypnotism is being considered...

 

HI VH-ROCK

 

Looks like I started a war with my question ! ( maybe you could call it Call of Duty :smilewink:)

 

Stupid questions deserve stupid answers and I think that ,by reading all the following posts , some guys have provided a lot. !

 

With some guys to keep silent is better than answer. I like silence , the real world is already that stupid noisy !.

 

I am Flight Siming just for relax , even if I have to learn a lot . It is my way of dreaming I could have flown the beauties in another life !.

 

So please could we come back to the real stuff , I mean X and Y axes in

 

Saturation !

 

I would be so gratefull to you and to all other "wish to help " members.

 

P.S. Taking off very nice now , and on the white line. Landing are still a little bit rough , can't help this bird to bounce two or three times, but now she stays on the runway , with sometimes a broken leg ...

 

I keep on rocking !

 

Madcop :thumbup:

 

P.S. By the way ,have you already tried to bail out during one of the training flights ?

 

I already tried , but no way .My canopy would eject but I would stay in this flying coffin. I tried at every speed , attitude and altitude ... no way !

 

P.S.2 I just wanted to add this " During WWII it lasted 1 year for a guy to get his wings , and after that he would only begin to learn to fly a P-51D ! "

 

So, for sure DCS P-51D is a piece of crap as I can fly her after 20 hours !:D

 

I am a bloody good natural born fighter pilot !:P don't talk to me about these electronic, push buttons, A-10C Mud movers !

 

LONG LIVE DCS P-51D !

[Double_D]

Saturation !

 

I would be so gratefull to you and to all other "wish to help " members.

 

As VH-Rock had mentioned before we @ Virtual Tuskegee Airmen would be happy if you came and joined with us while we all learn the uniqueness of this aircraft...hope you have Team Speak 3 this makes the learn curve easier..for us to help...and welcome to the P-51D Mustang Group...:thumbup:

[VH-Rock]

HI VH-ROCK

 

Looks like I started a war with my question ! ( maybe you could call it Call of Duty :smilewink:)

 

Stupid questions deserve stupid answers and I think that ,by reading all the following posts , some guys have provided a lot. !

 

With some guys to keep silent is better than answer. I like silence , the real world is already that stupid noisy !.

 

 

Hi Madcop,

 

My post was not in reference to your question, you're doing your best to understand this aircraft and we all respect that. My post was in response to people finding the aircraft 'boring' because they have to put some effort in to fly it. This thread seems to be filled with people (not yourself) who seem to find offensive that they have to put some effort into to fly this aircraft rather than just push a button, go fly a blow S**t up - the kind of attitude commonly associated with 'Call of Duty kid' - although it has been seen to come from several older members here, too. This attitude thoroughly disappoints me... Maybe these people have moved over from IL-2 or FSX, but those were games. DCS is a fully fledged simulator and a damn good, extensive one at that. DCS is known for it's high fidelity of aircraft systems and handling. If they don't want to deal with aircraft in a realistic manner, they might as well go play 'Ace Combat' on a console - plenty of crap to blow up there with nothing else to think about.

 

Go and read the first few pages of this thread - it's full of people who have given up, started moaning and are blaming the product after only a few hours. They haven't even tried to understand what they're doing wrong. If they can't do it, it's obviously the simulators fault. This attitude deeply frustrates me, to say the least. If they had tried, listened to all the advice, tested out the solutions, evaluated them properly and then still decided they didn't like it, I would maintain I high level of respect for them. As it is, I can not respect people who give up without giving it a try.

Edited October 19, 2012 by VH-Rock

[Yo-Yo]

How can it be boring? :)

[159th_Viper]

That's what you would call a 'White-Knuckle' ride :D

[Double_D]

Nice ... Yo Yo

 

I think that members who call it boring are forgetting something important...:music_whistling:

 

The Fast movers as they call them ( Jets ) had to evolve from these, what they call inferior Prop Planes...without them the " Jets " wouldn't exist..nor would the era of the plane in itself...

 

Members have their own opinions of what they like..

 

The best part I like about this..members who like/love the P-51D Mustang..don't go bashing the fast movers...we take what we have with honour...

 

Cheers...:thumbup:

[Echo38]

Those're my thoughts exactly, Rock.

[PeterP]

How can it be boring? :)

 

I agree - very boring!

It would be much more entertaining when you would be chased by star-ships and the runways would be cluttered by zombies , so you have to take them first out before you land.

 

Well - I'm not the first that has this Idea.... There are already some threads mentioning scenarios like this buried somewhere.

Would be nice if ED finally starts to listen to their real customer-base.

 

Oh - I forgot:

And get achievement Points for every single action you do - so you can trade them on-line to upgrade your vehicle with Photon-cannons or even Hello Kitty stickers.

 

..and don't try to be a wisecrack and tell me that I have photon-cannons already on board , but they are just called landing-lights...

I mean the real deal - the heavy stuff ,

that makes this kind of groovy sound and is red or green (this depend on if you the good or bad guy) and flies at about 100 meters per second in a straight line trough the air....

 

 

I really hope that you won't let this opportunity pass and upgrade this "Book reading - switch Flipping - Crash-Test Simulator" to something that has really some value to others !

 

I hope you get my point ....

 

EDIT:

Yo-Yo,

did someone already mentioned to you that "Hover-Pads" would make your landing much easier...

No? - so now you know it -Think about it!

 

 

Yes! I'm 100% serious!

 

Edited October 19, 2012 by PeterP

[Echo38]

+1 to zombies in DCS ... clearly what this sim has been lacking all along

 

I mean, it worked for Arma 2, right?

[Madcop]

HI Rock , HI Air Wolf :)

 

Well , I was only making 3rd degree humor , or better , trying to ...english is not my mothertongue !

 

I just hope Bob Hoover could come on this forum and have a hand at the sim and get all these moaners back to their place !.

 

It would be very convenient if one or another actual P-51D pilot could have a look at these threads ! DCS working with the Duxford guys , that shouldn't be a problem !.

 

I agree 100% with your different posts. A real sim must try to stick to reality. I do not like it when it's too easy going cause real life is not.

I got some friends who trained in the Air Force to get their wings and who failed and believe me these guys were real willing persons .

 

What's the fun in entering a spitfire, pushing the "I" key and getting aloft...?

 

Everybody finds his pleasure somewhere...that's the principal , and I surely won't blame them for that ...but they should at least respect other point of view , other approaches and really try to understand the principles.

 

Some of them will stay forever "Spoiled children ! ".

 

I also fly Il-2 and I really like it and the people who have brought that sim at the level it is now and... it isn't finished yet. I am sure that if they were not limited by the game engine they could fix more and more FM. Community is far more talents provider than a single developper with all the business, budget, etc... constraints .

 

All this thread makes me remind of Captain Sim F-104 for FS 2004 at the time. Everybody was yelling because they couldn't land this aircraft. I had the chance of having an ex 104 pilot trying the beast on my puter.

Well his feeling was that that bird was" handling" pretty closed to the reality . This bird was pretty hard to land and you really had to fly her by the book !.

 

Falcon 4 and his community derivatives has the same approach and I also liked it pretty much.

 

Of course all these sims with DCS A-10C demand a daily training and continuity in the effort , but still , they are the most rewarding.

 

I thank you for inviting me to join you on The Virtual Horsemen and I have all the material for that , but I think the language could be a problem, coupled to this that I had a little health problem that left me with a little "stuttering" way of speaking. Moreover, when getting nervous it makes me forget some vocabulary. And I MAY NOT GET NERVOUS ! :music_whistling:

 

I am still slowly but surely recovering and I really hope to join you one of these days.

 

I sure would pretty like flying P-51D in "very close formation !

 

A big Thank You to both of You , and I'll try these different X and Y saturation axis.

 

If you (natural PC born guys :smartass:) could put your numbers for each axis here , I think I ( natural shovel born guy ) would have a better image of what I should do and try .

 

Thanks a lot .

 

Madcop:)

[159th_Viper]

Well - I'm not the first that has this Idea.... There are already some threads mentioning scenarios like this buried somewhere.

 

This was indeed contemplated but thrown out by the narrowest of margins as it was held that the 6526A-24 was just too powerful against combatants of the 'just-dead' variety.

 

The blade-effect would have had to have been nerfed to appease the inevitable complaints by the recently deceased at the hand of the Mustang. That, coupled with the queazy factor, led to the decision that it's just all-round easier to utilize A-10's as target-drones (as we all do in any event) as it would be to rely on our 'recently-departed-and-now-walking-again aka zombie' counterparts.

[Double_D]

@Madcop

 

The key word is " Practice...practice...practice " :thumbup:

[VH-Rock]

@Madcop

 

The key word is " Practice...practice...practice " :thumbup:

 

Indeed, Just come fly with us whenever you feel like it, Always welcome in either server :)

[Echo38]

If you (natural PC born guys) could put your numbers for each axis here , I think I ( natural shovel born guy ) would have a better image of what I should do and try.

 

I use direct input on all axes; no curve, no dead zone, full saturation.

[element1108]

Ok so I bought the P51 when It came out..& I've used it maybe 10 times since then. Mainly becouse of the flightdynamics I thought it would bee more stable like the A2A P51 in FSX...but this thing is just to hard to fly, to sensitive on the controls, stalls all the time, yaws like crazy when u try to shoot....not many multiplayers either.....I hope I can get the love back for it some day in DCS, but now I'm just disappointed:(

 

The thread title would imply something other than what you're post indicates.

 

Boring, hardly. Eyeball navigation, temperature monitoring, scanning the skies, looking for the target area and targets without avionics and actually flying this bird leaves little room for boring IMHO.

 

I hope you get your axis sorted, because (clearly by the responses) that's the issue here.:joystick:

[Madcop]

How can it be boring? :)

 

I betted you were going for the meadows , but , what a maestria !:thumbup:

 

NICE !

 

 

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE Nothing impossible .

 

Congratulations

 

Madcop:)

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Hi there!!

 

New around here, but saw this and I can left it...

 

Boring P-51?? Are you crazy??:lol: I also have been Il-2 pilot for many years, but while Il-2 was great years ago with current PCs, since many time I was looking something like this... the real thing... For the first time (yes, it've been said also many times before, but this is the good one) I think really we have "the real thing" on our PCs, and now it's simply awesome, amazing, overwhelming... While Il-2ing I've flown aerobatics getting Il-2 to it's limits (guess what? with P-51...:thumbup:), and it was fine but it lacked something. Also in this time I got my PPL licence, studied a couple of things about aerodynamics and have the opportunity of flying a bunch of aircraft (sadly no P-51... XD) but all I can say is... HOLLY CRAP!!! This tail dragger performs for the first time in a PC (and I keep virtual flying since 20 years ago) like a tail dragger should be, and it flies like it has to be, not to mention engine and prop management (a pleasure to the eyes see that constant speed prop perform exactly like it is... :beer: ).

 

Boring? I've a few hours only in DCS, many less I wish to have, but It's still hard to me taking off!!! Not so landing (I cheated, PPL) but challenging also, but it's not simply difficult because they wanted to make it hard for people, it's hard because RL IS hard, because they achieve to make it the real thing!!! So, challenging like the real thing... could you ask for more? I still don't fly it as much as I wanted to fly, but I simply put a cold start, make my checklist, start the engine and fly like I do in RL, a walk around there, may be a touch and go session... and that's all, simply enjoy the flight like I do in RL... only for that it worth the while :yes:. Even FS with all the procedures is not so pleasant because it lacks physics and flight model.

 

 

So, boring? Nothing at all...:pilotfly:

 

S!

 

P.D.: and don't be fooled by those jets. Where I got my licence is a small school, but some jet pilots go there for checking their single engine licence... they are barely able to land the Cessna...:megalol::megalol::megalol: They fly computers, I fly aircraft. Piston engined general aviation IS the real aviation, don't think the other way :smilewink:.

[Suchacz]

Hi there!!

 

New around here, but saw this and I can left it...

 

Boring P-51?? Are you crazy??:lol: I also have been Il-2 pilot for many years,...

 

Where can I sign it? :thumbup:

 

btw, welcome to DCS and our forum :smilewink:

[Echo38]

some jet pilots go there for checking their single engine licence... they are barely able to land the Cessna... They fly computers, I fly aircraft.

 

I love this! [delighted laugh]