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Never was a fan of rotor brake starts...

 

What's a break start explained with few words? I searched it and found some technical explanations that I don't understand a lot from.

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I'm not a helo driver but understanding what a rotor brake is it sounds like a start of the engine with the main rotor braked (held fixed), which makes little to no sense to me and as the vid shows it puts a massive amount of instant torque on the drive.........why do it?

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Never was a fan of rotor brake starts...

Oh! Is that it? I was going to ask about at 02:00 and say "never seen that". Very interesting...

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Normally you make a rotor brake start when you have strong wind.

Maybe this time, it was for the video.

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I'm not a helo driver but understanding what a rotor brake is it sounds like a start of the engine with the main rotor braked (held fixed), which makes little to no sense to me and as the vid shows it puts a massive amount of instant torque on the drive.........why do it?

 

Thanks for the info. Didn't notice it the first time I watched it. Now that I checked a video showing the normal start procedure the difference in rotor spin speed is really noticeable.

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Yeah a rotor brake start is for starting in high winds. If you start with the rotor brake off (which is normal operation) but in very high winds, the winds can cause the blades to flex and perhaps strike the tail boom as they slowly start to spin up. Once the blades are moving fast enough, centrifugal (centripetal? whatever) force will keep them from flexing too much. By starting with the rotor brake engaged, you go from low rotor RPM to high rotor RPM very quickly, avoiding the "danger zone" where blade flex could cause a problem.

 

I don't know that it really stresses the aircraft so much that it causes any problems, and I kind of doubt that it does, but I always felt that it was a procedure that should only be used when actually necessary. That's the mechanic in me talking.

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Yeah a rotor brake start is for starting in high winds. If you start with the rotor brake off (which is normal operation) but in very high winds, the winds can cause the blades to flex and perhaps strike the tail boom as they slowly start to spin up. Once the blades are moving fast enough, centrifugal (centripetal? whatever) force will keep them from flexing too much. By starting with the rotor brake engaged, you go from low rotor RPM to high rotor RPM very quickly, avoiding the "danger zone" where blade flex could cause a problem.

 

I don't know that it really stresses the aircraft so much that it causes any problems, and I kind of doubt that it does, but I always felt that it was a procedure that should only be used when actually necessary. That's the mechanic in me talking.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

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Its not hard on the system. Its actually designed to do that. All Navy helos start that way.

One point of starting that way is high winds. Its safer. Both engines could be started with the rotor brake on, then released to minimize the time at slow rotor rpm in gusty winds. That break holds at 3000 psi.. it's main function is for stopping the rotors quickly. The mains are so bulky that with just a slight breeze and some momentum during shut down those things will spin for 15 mins if you didn't have the rotor break.

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Grrr the snow sucks!!

 

3 times I have been trying to go out and shoot gunnery and 3 times we get cancelled due to snow storms blowing in from the north!

 

Why oh why is there an aviation wing on a base located directly in the snow belt vortex thing that causes the most snow to fall in the continental US??

 

We need to relocate....

 

Sorry I had to vent lol.

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You should pcs to fort carson the wing here is up every day. Plus a big nice shiny new hanger looks to be about done

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Grrr the snow sucks!!

 

If you can't fly anyway, how about you spend more time here on the forum and have the CO declare it public relations duty? I'm sure we'll come up with tons more questions. ;)

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If you can't fly anyway, how about you spend more time here on the forum and have the CO declare it public relations duty? I'm sure we'll come up with tons more questions. ;)

Yes! :thumbup:

 

Share some stories or anecdotes - I bet, we will come up with tons of questions then. Even "boring" stories might be interesting - to learn more about routine stuff and what's day to day life as an apache pilot.

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You should pcs to fort carson the wing here is up every day. Plus a big nice shiny new hanger looks to be about done

Oh if only the Army actually let us choose where we went lol. Trust me, this place was NOT one of my choices... ;)

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Here's what I've been doing for the past couple weeks.

 

0500 - Supposed to wake up for work

0510 - Try to wake up again for work

0515 - Smack alarm clock again

0520 - Quickly calculate how much time I really need to get to work

0525 - 0540 - Get up before I am late

0600 - PT, go to the gym it's cold outside

0630 - Treadmill is boring, go home

0700 - 0830 - Shower, make breakfast, watch the news

0900 - Arrive at work and get told our flights were cancelled

0930 - Sit at my desk and study for gunnery or hang out with the 1st Sgt

1000 - Go downstairs and hang out with the crew chiefs

1130 - Lunch

1300 - Go back to my desk and study some more

1400 - Try to snag some simulator time

1430 - Yay the sim is free or damnit the sim is already booked

1500 - Go run errands if the sim is booked

1600 - Tell the LT im going home

 

Right now things are slow because of the weather and there's only one sim that all of the companies have to try to fight over in advance. Our flights keep getting cancelled and we just sit around and find random things to do like quiz each other or help each other with the various extra duties we have. Most of the guys either bail out and go home early in the day or sit around bored with their feet up on the desk.

 

Our schedules depend on whether or not we are "supposed" to fly in the morning or at night. So half the guys come in at 1300 and the other half shows up around 0900 or 1000.

 

This week will be much the same. The weather is going to be horrible this week. I'm supposed to fly another gunnery flight on Tuesday but we have a snow storm rolling in on Monday night with 40mph winds and a foot + of snow so I highly doubt I'll be going anywhere. At least tomorrow I have some sim time so thats good.

 

But yeah that's about it lol, pretty boring right now not much going on. I spend the majority of my time trying to keep busy so I don't go crazy.

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Yup, its still snowing, still no flights, no work at all for that matter...Hopefully the power stays on I would hate to be stuck in the house in this blizzard if the power goes out...

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mind blown

 

Yup, its still snowing, still no flights, no work at all for that matter...Hopefully the power stays on I would hate to be stuck in the house in this blizzard if the power goes out...

 

This is definitely my favourite thread of choice on this forum...

 

I don't want to be yet another person interrogating actual pilots on here but it is hard to resist the chance to speak to actual Apache pilots.

I always felt intimidated in my youth going to airshows and I don't ever actually recall seeing the pilots of aircraft being on standby for the public to speak to and never knew if it was ok to do so.

 

I have read every page in this thread and just wanted to say that it is very easy for me (and maybe others) to forget that there is a real person behind the controls of an Apache as from an external viewpoint it is easy to fall into the trap of focusing on the beast of a machine as it whizzes by making that pulsing sound.

 

I had the pleasure here in south Birmingham, UK on the 11th of 2 AH-64D's (likely UK AH-1s I guess with the radar dome atop) flying low overhead going somewhere possibly for the events of that day (I assume). The sound was unique compared to civilian copters.

 

And of course a few questions if I may, firstly wondered if I could clarify something...

 

Is the other poster who mentioned the Apache Nightmare flew also a pilot/ex-pilot and if yes would they be willing to give any insight into their experiences? (if there is already a thread on here i would be interested)

 

And to Nightmare, are you aware of decals on military aircraft in modern times - I am wondering how they happen, things like is it an approved thing like tradition in the military, who puts them on the aircraft, are they always permitted?

 

Also, are you not slightly concerned that exposure to home sims will have a negative impact on your real world operation of aircraft eg if you were to use an Apache commercial sim, then get into the real thing - will that not just introduce confusion regarding controls etc?

 

No one likes war, in an ideal world peace would prevail.

I completely am against it but it will never stop me from saying and meaning the following...

 

To all who do what you do,

 

Thank you for your service.

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I was not a pilot in the military, I was just a lowly mechanic/crew-chief. I was fortunate enough to be around at a time when Apaches were briefly allowed to be flown by a single pilot, and I got several hours of front seat time, as well as quite a bit of time in the simulator. Still, I was not a pilot.

 

But hey, Nightmare is stuck in the snow and not flying...meanwhile, it is sunny for me and for training today I put 6,400 rounds through an M134 out the side of a helicopter. Some days it's not so bad to be a crew chief. :D

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get to da chopper Blaine

 

I was not a pilot in the military, I was just a lowly mechanic/crew-chief. I was fortunate enough to be around at a time when Apaches were briefly allowed to be flown by a single pilot, and I got several hours of front seat time, as well as quite a bit of time in the simulator. Still, I was not a pilot.

 

But hey, Nightmare is stuck in the snow and not flying...meanwhile, it is sunny for me and for training today I put 6,400 rounds through an M134 out the side of a helicopter. Some days it's not so bad to be a crew chief. :D

 

Yeah sorry I should have mentioned your nickname on here so you knew I was also referring to you.

 

Let me be the first to say your job is/was just as important. Same goes for troops on the ground everywhere, all have their part to play.

 

You are probably quite unique in the respect that you have had apache flight time but are not a pilot. What years did the single pilot rules apply and what made them change (if you can say).

 

Also regarding the M134 I really feel bad for you now as I quickly googled to find that they can fire 6000 rounds per minute so I guess after....

 

in fact, i have just reread your sentence - are you saying you unloaded that gun with the trigger? :doh:

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