mvsgas Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 erNfYM3Vmig Bye Phant No R-77 (AA-12) I was hoping to finally see one since they are flying combat missions. I guess not a big air thread. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks for that video, at mwd2! :) That leads to another question - I noticed that some of the Russian runways have a big circle painted on them. Does that have anything to do with the drogue chute? Either releasing them when landing, or dropping them when taxiing? Many runways have some of those ( it depends of what you are looking at). Some are Helicopter climb points others simply help with navigation (showing north or magnetic north), so pilots can adjust or check their equipment. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
rrohde Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks for the info, @mvsgas! PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
mig29movt Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 How'd they target ISIS with A-A missiles? :huh: Already wondered when I saw it on TV. Does anyone knows why they're flying double seaters, is it the Su-27UB, I thought it was only for training pilots. btw: Swiss Air Force does has the same chute procedure with their F-5E Tiger II aircraft, they drop it at the end of the runway and ground crew picks it up by car [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Waiting to build a F/A-18C home-pit... ex - Swiss Air Force Pilatus PC-21 Ground Crew SFM? AFM? EFM?? What's this? i7-5960X (8 core @3.00GHz)¦32GB DDR4 RAM¦Asus X99-WS/IPMI¦2x GTX970 4GB SLI¦Samsung 850 PRO 512GB SSD¦TrackIR 5 Pro¦TM Warthog¦MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals
mvsgas Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 They look like SU-30MK To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Su-30SM. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Lucas_From_Hell Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 They're there to provide escort, and probably operational testing too. A funny thing is everyone is looking at the Su-34, Su-25SM and Su-30SM when 30 of the aircraft in Syria are Su-24M2s.
RightStuff Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 How'd they target ISIS with A-A missiles? :huh: For self defense. Same reason why western jets have AA-equipment as well. You cannot be sure who you'll meet up in the air. Better than pants down with guns only... But: Let's hope that the missionplanners take *very much* care that the areas of operations of each participating nation do not overlap...
NOLA Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 No R-77 (AA-12) I was hoping to finally see one since they are flying combat missions. I guess not a big air thread. There is no reason for them to fly with R-77 because it isn't, and never was, operational with Russian Airforce. They will be getting a lot of R-77-1 (RVV-SD) from next year though.
gear_monkey Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Lucky i guess. MANPADs are very dangerous, but their warheads are very small. Depends on where it hits, it may looked like an engine hit, but it wasn't devastating enough to cause a major failure (aka lucky). Though, i'm not too sure on the FN-6 specifications. That could be a factor too. The helicopter does not survive. There is a longer clip that shows the results. The chopper flies around in "lazy" descending circles, I'm assuming the crew was seeking a landing/crash site. Eventually it does a very hard landing and is consumed by post crash fire. I can only hope the crew made it out. Win 10 64bit; 32 GB DDR4 3200 Ram; ASUS MoBo; 1TB SSD;Intel i7 8700K; GTX 1080ti 11GB; Thrustmaster Warthog;Odyssey + VR
pepin1234 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 There is no reason for them to fly with R-77 because it isn't, and never was, operational with Russian Airforce. They will be getting a lot of R-77-1 (RVV-SD) from next year though. Yes they have R-77 as well R-27EA. The R-27EA is better in medium range performance. You never gone know when they really carry this version, is the same body frame. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Lucas_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Let's hope that the missionplanners take *very much* care that the areas of operations of each participating nation do not overlap... Despite all the nagging all over the media, Russia, the US and all regional players are actually in close cooperation in terms of accident prevention, and there are open channels between most of them so that everyone knows what other planes are up to. Syria is a relatively small country, and now that Iraq and Russia have agreed to strike targets on Iraq's side of the border to prevent both supply flow into Syria and troops from fleeing into Iraq, they will overlap even more.
rrohde Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Many runways have some of those ( it depends of what you are looking at). Some are Helicopter climb points others simply help with navigation (showing north or magnetic north), so pilots can adjust or check their equipment. Btw - didn't find the video that I was referring to, however, I found one in DCS (Mozdok); see screenshot attached. There doesn't seem to be any nav references associated with that, so it might be a helo climb point as you suggested. PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
mvsgas Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Btw - didn't find the video that I was referring to, however, I found one in DCS (Mozdok); see screenshot attached. There doesn't seem to be any nav references associated with that, so it might be a helo climb point as you suggested. Mozdok appears to be a helicopter base (when looking at in in Google maps). Coincidentally, for western side: http://www.faa.gov/airports/resources/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.current/documentNumber/150_5340-1 Looking for something similar for other countries. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
NOLA Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Yes they have R-77 as well R-27EA. The R-27EA is better in medium range performance. You never gone know when they really carry this version, is the same body frame. I don't think you read what i said; they don't have R-77 and it never was operational with RuAF. Proving otherwise would be easy; show me an operational RuAF plane with R-77. Good luck. I have 35 000+ pictures of RuAF and not a single one of an operational RuAF plane with R-77. At most there are shots of Su-35S with R-77-1 (most likely mock ups) and that is; 1; For testing, so doesnt count. 2; R-77-1 =/= R-77 I don't know about R-27EA, but i dont think that is operational either. I could very well be wrong here.
pepin1234 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) I don't think you read what i said; they don't have R-77 and it never was operational with RuAF. Proving otherwise would be easy; show me an operational RuAF plane with R-77. Good luck. I have 35 000+ pictures of RuAF and not a single one of an operational RuAF plane with R-77. At most there are shots of Su-35S with R-77-1 (most likely mock ups) and that is; 1; For testing, so doesnt count. 2; R-77-1 =/= R-77 I don't know about R-27EA, but i dont think that is operational either. I could very well be wrong here. What you said before is almost the same what you wrote here. I said you again, you never gone see the R-77 in operational deployment because the R-27 is better in medium range performance. They don't need the R-77, they have the R-27A and the R-27EA covering medium/long range. Edited October 26, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Source for operational R-27A/EA? And please dont mention Carlo Kopp or Wikipedia. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Lucas_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 This discussion has been going around since I first remember logging in here and nobody ever settled for an answer :D I don't think that is happening today either. Anyhow, some video content: Syrian Army soldier films Russian Mi-24P doing CAS extremely low
pepin1234 Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Syrian Army soldier films Russian Mi-24P doing CAS extremely low WT*, you can see the Mi-24 attacking while take an ice cream :doh: BTW. I like this sound in my SIM!!!! Edited October 27, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
rrohde Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Interesting how they have painted over the Russian Star. :) I am also curious as to why they have the 2-seat Su-3x (not sure what variant that is) over there? Do they train over there as well, or do they fly combat missions, too? PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
Dudikoff Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 I am also curious as to why they have the 2-seat Su-3x (not sure what variant that is) over there? Do they train over there as well, or do they fly combat missions, too? Su-30SM is a Russian variant of the Su-30MKI sold to India and it's most certainly not a trainer, but a fully fledged multi-role fighter. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
rrohde Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Su-30SM is a Russian variant of the Su-30MKI sold to India and it's most certainly not a trainer, but a fully fledged multi-role fighter. Interesting! Thanks for the info! :) PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
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