DCS FC3 Questions & Answers Thread

[cichlidfan]

Are they supposed to be coming to FC3 then or just the standalone F-15C?

 

There has only been a statement by Belsimtek that they are considering a full F-15C module. If it happens it will not be part of FC3 or the Flamings Cliffs: F-15C, it would be a new module.

 

We are considering the possibility of creating a complete avionics model with clickable cockpit and accurate systems modeling. This would be a major development however, so a final decision has not yet been made.

 

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/217/

Edited June 6, 2014 by cichlidfan

[doveman]

There has only been a statement by Belsimtek that they are considering a full F-15C module. If it happens it will not be part of FC3 or the Flamings Cliffs: F-15C, it would be a new module.

 

Ah thanks, that will have no bearing on whether I decide to buy FC3 or not then.

[doveman]

Some of the replies you got are a little bit ambigous. Let me emphasise that the main difference between FC3 and full on modules like the A10C or Huey for example is NOT just in the clickable cockpit. The fidelity of the simulation is much lower. Many systems are simplified and/or not even simulated. Some FC3 aircraft feature an advanced flight model (like the F15C) but the rest of the systems (certain avionics in particular) are not fully modeled.

 

I for one did get FC3 for the AFM modeled planes, since simply flying is what I enjoy most out of DCS: World anyway.

 

OK, thanks. Sounds like I'd be better off sticking to BMS for now then, with it's clickable cockpit, etc (not that I've found the time to learn to fly that yet).

 

I guess what confused me on the product page was 'New 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) cockpit and model for the F-15C', which I guess just means you can look around and move your head position rather than actually interact with the cockpit. I'd assumed that this would be a basic function in any aircraft and the sentence indicated something more than that. So how limited is the viewpoint in the other FC3 aircraft then?

[Saruman]

Nothing that could ruin your experience, to be honest. Rather than going back only to BMS (that I use a lot too), I suggest you to try A10C module (a great one, on par with BMS as level of simulation). Or you could dedicate to helo (I have KA50 and Huey).

 

Anyway, still loving pure sims, I bought yesterday FC3 and I find it a nice product, perfect to use when you are tired and you want to enjoy a flight using something lighter than BMS or A10C and other advanced modules. Add to this that FC3 is anyway far from being considered arcade. To the opposite, I had to print some parts of the manual to study them to use the various aircrafts (I'm mainly sticking to F15C). It's simple, but not THAT simple you can plug the hotas and go around, so there is a component of study (and if you like sims, you like studying documentation).

 

For $19.99, I can't do anything else than suggest people to try FC3, because it's entertaining for the sale price it has.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Saruman

[lmp]

OK, thanks. Sounds like I'd be better off sticking to BMS for now then, with it's clickable cockpit, etc (not that I've found the time to learn to fly that yet).

 

I guess what confused me on the product page was 'New 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) cockpit and model for the F-15C', which I guess just means you can look around and move your head position rather than actually interact with the cockpit. I'd assumed that this would be a basic function in any aircraft and the sentence indicated something more than that. So how limited is the viewpoint in the other FC3 aircraft then?

 

Here's a good description of how well each aircraft is modeled:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

 

Should help you make heads or tails of it all.

 

Yes, 6DOF cockpit means you can move you view position back and forth, up and down etc. and not just rotate it. The 6DOF cockpits are also of higher quality than the old cockpits.

 

To illustrate this, here's the old Su-25 cockpit:

 

Here's the new (6DOF) one:

 

Currently of the FC3 aircraft the F-15C, A-10A, Su-25, Su-27 and Su-33 have the 6DOF cockpit. The MiGs will receive theirs later.

[doveman]

Nothing that could ruin your experience, to be honest. Rather than going back only to BMS (that I use a lot too), I suggest you to try A10C module (a great one, on par with BMS as level of simulation). Or you could dedicate to helo (I have KA50 and Huey).

 

Anyway, still loving pure sims, I bought yesterday FC3 and I find it a nice product, perfect to use when you are tired and you want to enjoy a flight using something lighter than BMS or A10C and other advanced modules. Add to this that FC3 is anyway far from being considered arcade. To the opposite, I had to print some parts of the manual to study them to use the various aircrafts (I'm mainly sticking to F15C). It's simple, but not THAT simple you can plug the hotas and go around, so there is a component of study (and if you like sims, you like studying documentation).

 

For $19.99, I can't do anything else than suggest people to try FC3, because it's entertaining for the sale price it has.

 

Yeah, I've had the A-10C for a while but not flown it much, as I also have the KA-50 and UH-1H and I find it more fun flying the helos, although I still suck at those and can't beat a combat mission even with labels on :cry:

 

You're doing a good job of persuading me to get FC3 ;) It sounds like there might be a place for it in my collection, for something to play with that's less challenging than the PFM/AFM level aircraft.

[doveman]

Here's a good description of how well each aircraft is modeled:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

 

Should help you make heads or tails of it all.

 

Yes, 6DOF cockpit means you can move you view position back and forth, up and down etc. and not just rotate it. The 6DOF cockpits are also of higher quality than the old cockpits.

 

To illustrate this, here's the old Su-25 cockpit:

 

Here's the new (6DOF) one:

 

Currently of the FC3 aircraft the F-15C, A-10A, Su-25, Su-27 and Su-33 have the 6DOF cockpit. The MiGs will receive theirs later.

 

Thanks Imp, that was very helpful :thumbup:

[doveman]

Reading that link that Imp provided, I think I'd have to say I desire ASM but I'd qualify that by saying I'm not really that fussed about being able to look around at the various panels, as it's quite fiddly trying to operate a lot of the switches with the mouse just by looking in the right direction with head tracking and then I tend to have to pause the tracking to keep it steady enough to click on stuff anyway.

 

It's actually much easier to just use snapviews to look at the various panels and having them at a fixed zoom would probably make it a lot easier to make them look really crisp and realistic, as the graphics wouldn't have to be scaled depending on the zoom level. What would be really nice is if each ASM aircraft came with preset snapviews that allow us to easily view all the different panels/switches. Even better would be to have these snapviews exported to a secondary (touchscreen) monitor, below the main one, so that the main one always shows the view out of the cockpit, with head tracking, whilst the lower one just shows the static panels.

 

Using physical panels to send commands to the ASM aircraft is another option but the whole clickable cockpit thing I find rather fiddly when I try and use it.

 

So even if the F-15C isn't fully ASM, if there was a Helios profile for it that I could use to control what functionality there is, I think I'd be quite happy.

[FraserNZL]

Hey guys I have a friend who wants FC3 but doesnt have the money right now and I have it soooo is it possible to gift it to him at all not going thru steam???

[Flagrum]

Hey guys I have a friend who wants FC3 but doesnt have the money right now and I have it soooo is it possible to gift it to him at all not going thru steam???

Yes. Just purchase FC3 and hand im over the serial number you will get. You could also transfer the serial number directly to his web account at eagle dynamics ... if he got one already.

[Sceptre]

If you tell him the serial number, you must get him to bind it to his DCS account or he won't be able to play online.

[doveman]

Do the FC3 aircraft use Force Feedback at all. With the KA-50 my FFB2 holds the cyclic trimmed but there's no vibration effects when flying or landing, so is there anything like that?

[Godzila]

Su-25T is shaking stick with too high AoA. Probably because it is not fly by wire.

 

I also miss vibration when on runway. I don´t think it is implemented.

[doveman]

OK, thanks, that's something at least.

[=Pedro=]

I can't because FC3 can't see DCS World and therefore won't install

 

even if I try to install to the steam apps common folder

 

Search the steam folder :\SteamLibrary\SteamApps\common\DCSWorld for executable try to run DCS than join the lets say 104th server and just choose the f15. Flaming cliffs is an addon to DCS like DLC so you run DCS and than you are able to choose FC3 planes.

 

I think you already know that, there is a place where you can look for the answear :

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=113587

[Turecki]

Hello :smilewink:

 

I have purchased Flamming Cliffs 3 ...but in progress of installing is some message about "DCS world 1.2.10.30996 must be installed" ...so I have download 6 files from downloading page to DCS but my computer don't recognized a format ...how to install this flamming cliffs 3 ??

 

Best Regards

Artur

[Exorcet]

With all six DCS World files in the same folder, run:

 

DCS_World_1.2.10.30996.495-346.exe

 

When DCS World is installed, go to the Module Manager and select FC3 for install. When you use a FC3 aircraft for the first time, DCS will ask for the FC3 activation key.

[Turecki]

Thank you very much Exorcet ! ...with your instructions all works fine...activation happened automaticly :thumbup:

[Flanker52]

So is the current F-15 on Flaming Cliffs 3 at the same realistic flight model of the a-10c and other modules?

[jackmckay]

DCS: FC3; Su-27 ECM right side console light not functional, not blinking not steady? Bug???

[Exorcet]

So is the current F-15 on Flaming Cliffs 3 at the same realistic flight model of the a-10c and other modules?

 

Yes. Unlimited AoA, no scripted movements, control systems realistically modeled, etc. I've had some fun with it in odd ways too. Landing with no gear and then moving your elevators, you can raise the F-15 off the ground because the force of the tail touching the ground is modeled.

 

The other day I sawed off my vertical stabs all the way by flying into a MiG. The damage model left me with a flyable, controllable plane except for rudders which were gone. There was also a noticeable drop of stability in yaw.

 

DCS: FC3; Su-27 ECM right side console light not functional, not blinking not steady? Bug???

I've sidelined the Su-27 until it gets AFM, but the ECM light should blink. I'll check later.

[Zabuzard]

The ECM light is currently bugged (since ~3 months) it gets reported about every week. There are also some other cockpit bugs that are reported too, pls check the forum (i think they fix it with SUs realistic flight physic coming with EDGE)

[jackmckay]

Well, this reduces flanker's vital combat survivability cos sometimes can't say is it of or on after intense dogfight, especially if continuing on IR scan mode and also glowing up like Christmas tree. Hope that this will be fixed soon. thx for reply people.

[Python]

Okay, something has been driving me mad for ages now, I usually stick to the F-15c but I've been trying to branch out and use the Russian jets more, only because I feel like I'm missing out. Whatever I do however, I can't get the zoom function (cockpit view) to work in the Russian aircraft, I set it as I always do in the options, but no movement. I can't change the FOV within any of the Russian jets, no problem at all with the Western jets. Any ideas what I may be doing wrong?

[Funduro]

First thoughts

 

Finally got the time to study some of the modules I have purchased recently. I am learning the Mission Editor and creating a few practice missions with the help of some of the excellent german tutorials produced by Fire. First let me say I am happy with my purchase but some of the bugs are really annoying and I hope they get resolved in future patches. I set up a simple ai 2 ship (SU27) take off and landing around Batumi and noticed the graphical glitches, full flaps on take off and cutting into the missiles.

I also found the ai aircraft movement when changing direction around the airport and at altitude to be very erratic. Anyway to smooth this out? The IR Jammer and ECM indicators also mentioned in previous posts. Most frustrating was seeing the SU 27's take 3 attempts to land at the airport also mentioned previously in other posts. I know creating realistic AI can be a nightmare but surely some of these glitches can be resolved after all these years. Still my favourite military flightsim though. Ver 1.2.8

Edited October 5, 2014 by Funduro