JTAC question - Possible to use datalink?

[Hoggorm]

Is it possible to assign a tasking as JTAC to an A-10 via datalink?

 

By that I mean the same way as the AI JTAC can send me the target directly to me in the A-10 when he sais "Stand by data".

[Madone]

Unfortunately, the answer is no... :/

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=91230&highlight=datalink+CA

[Hoggorm]

Unfortunately, the answer is no... :/

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=91230&highlight=datalink+CA

 

Ok... Strange really, since it is already possible to do it from one A-10 to another in DCS:World

[Madone]

heuuu... wait? Possible? You mean designate your SPI and send it to your teammate right? But that's only the A10 data system, that's different to the red symbol you can hook (same effect though).

JTAC's use computers especially designed for the infantry.

 

For example :

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/rover-sics-tacair-on-americas-enemies-updated-01700/

 

Keep in mind, it's espensive and some TACP team still use the good old 9 line card to transmit the target informations, and it's up to the pilot to get it right.

[Hoggorm]

heuuu... wait? Possible? You mean designate your SPI and send it to your teammate right? But that's only the A10 data system, that's different to the red symbol you can hook (same effect though).

 

Exactly. And that is basically all I need, at least as long as they don't intend to implement the full JTAC datalink. As you say the effect in the A-10 is the same regardless.

[Madone]

Yes but you can't set a SPI with ground vehicles to send it to an A10, the system isn't the same. Only the SADL works.

[Rongor]

So how do you provide lasing to me, an A-10C?

If you lase a target as a JTAC, how do you get me to the right coordinates? My LGB wont drop without a proper set SPI. So how do we get my bomb drop close to the desired target, close enough to let your lasing do the guidance for my LGB?

[Madone]

Use some nine-line cards, and create a new waypoint for the mission, I think it's the easiest and fatest way. Once you have an approximative location, the LSS will do the job.

[nickmow]

Yeah LSS is your friend, get JTAC to talk you on or send you a grid...we talking online right ?

 

Get the TGP pointing in roughly the right direction and hit LSS top right of the right hand MFD and it should pick up the lase and then you can rain down righteous destruction !

[shagrat]

So how do you provide lasing to me, an A-10C?

If you lase a target as a JTAC, how do you get me to the right coordinates? My LGB wont drop without a proper set SPI. So how do we get my bomb drop close to the desired target, close enough to let your lasing do the guidance for my LGB?

I just wonder if the JTAC can lase the LGB onto the target, anyone tried that in multiplayer?

The JTAC in Bino-View (B) has the option to "change the lase code" ©. Default is the usual "1688".

Though I didn't have the chance to try it yet, I guess it is possible to guide the LGB from the ground, right?

The A-10C needs to simply drop the LGB somewhere near the target... so it should be possible to set the SPI to a Smoke marker using the TDC and drop the bomb in CCRP from high altitude and watching the time to impact, announcing "16 seconds" to the JTAC who then "lases the SAM etc.

:huh:

[nickmow]

Yes you can Shagrat, JTAC can lase and guide an LGB from an A10C, I tried it today on LAN at home.

Not tried with A10A though yet.

 

Though didn't use smoke marker, seemed a bit redundant with a laser to mark the target for the A10 ?

[shagrat]

Though didn't use smoke marker, seemed a bit redundant with a laser to mark the target for the A10 ?

Yeah, if you do it with LSS, that is a bit overdone, but sometimes when flying with my buddy he simply talks me onto the target and I use the HUD's TDC to place a rough SPI... and in theory you may drop the LGB without a SPI in CCIP and still the JTAC may guide it... cool! :D

 

Thanks for the confirmation. I need to try this! :bounce:

[nickmow]

Ill try the CCIP mode today using a smoke marker reference.

[Backy 51]

As a stupid pet trick ... I've actually lazed one truck as JTAC then "pulled" the LGB in flight to another nearby truck. I was curious to see how much flexibility I had as JTAC to change targets. As a technique, have the A-10 drop the LGB above 12000 or higher to give yourself more "steer time". This produces a larger weapon footprint and what I call DYNAMIC TARGETING! :-)

[nickmow]

Ok set up a small scenario with a JTAC and some statics on the dissused airfield. Marked with smoke for a reference and did not use LSS on the A10.

 

Lased the target once visually aquired and dropped using CCIP and I deliberatly did not aim too accuratly. Pictures in sequence show

Jtac position, Smoke Marker on the target, A10 searching visually and seeing the mark on the deck, Attack using CCIP and the Bomb (LGB12) tracking onto target. Direct Hit, I watched the LGB flying and it for sure gained the laser and aquired the target rather than just hitting the CCIP mark :thumbup:. Im lucky enough to have a LAN at Home, my main PC has all the DCS titles, The second one just has DCS World and CA, so a certain amount of autopilot and jumping seats has to happen. Until I train the girlfriend to be a JTAC !

Edited January 5, 2013 by nickmow

[Madone]

As a stupid pet trick ... I've actually lazed one truck as JTAC then "pulled" the LGB in flight to another nearby truck. I was curious to see how much flexibility I had as JTAC to change targets. As a technique, have the A-10 drop the LGB above 12000 or higher to give yourself more "steer time". This produces a larger weapon footprint and what I call DYNAMIC TARGETING! :-)

 

lol I think that kind of thing is totally forbidden IRL but whatever :lol: It can work but you have also good chances of fail and the bomb can loose either the laser point or simply comes short on target.

Better use a multiple JDAM to get your 2 trucks in hell. :)

[mjeh]

...Until I train the girlfriend to be a JTAC !

 

:lol:

[Darkwolf]

I tried this... now she flies and i have to do Jtac :D

[nickmow]

ROFL !

[Madone]

:megalol::rotflmao:

[Rongor]

why CCIP?

[nickmow]

why CCIP?

 

Well point of experiment was to see if an LGB would pick up and guide onto the JTAC Laser.

I used CCIP to get the bomb to drop in an approximate area, rather than a fully accurate CCRP drop. What's the point ? Well I guess if you had to quickly setup an attack or your TGP was bust.

 

I tried the A10A apart from the lack of guided weapons in the loadout, I had some missions where a diamond appear in the HUD which seemed to be a laser track from a JTAC. I think this only works if the JTAC is AI or if you have a wingman ? A10A did not indicate the multiplayer JTACs laser mark.

[Rongor]

You know that the diamond in the HUD shows your TGP position of your A-10C and that the A-10A is a different story since it is a FC3 plane and has nothing to do with the completely different high fidelity simulated A-10C Warthog module?

Neither CCIP nor CCRP are fully accurate. With lasing by JTAC you can attack JTAC's target without the need to ident it by yourself. That is why you can drop the bomb level flight in CCRP, staying out of enemy fire and keeping a stable flight attitude. You dont even need a TGP for this. But if there is no JTAC and you dont have a TGP or your TGP is busted, you won't have any laser and so no LGB attack can be executed besides dropping it CCIP like a dumb bomb.

[shagrat]

You know that the diamond in the HUD shows your TGP position of your A-10C and that the A-10A is a different story since it is a FC3 plane and has nothing to do with the completely different high fidelity simulated A-10C Warthog module?

Neither CCIP nor CCRP are fully accurate. With lasing by JTAC you can attack JTAC's target without the need to ident it by yourself. That is why you can drop the bomb level flight in CCRP, staying out of enemy fire and keeping a stable flight attitude. You dont even need a TGP for this. But if there is no JTAC and you dont have a TGP or your TGP is busted, you won't have any laser and so no LGB attack can be executed besides dropping it CCIP like a dumb bomb.

 

the "diamond " for the A-10A is from FC 3. it is simply a target marker from the game engine (auto targeting) nothing to do with TGP.

SU-25 gets the same! it's depending on the game mode settings in the mission I guess?

[Rongor]

I don't know the A-10A. I don't know auto targeting because there is none in my A-10C. Toying around with a gamey A-10A is way below my level ;)