Rusky radar question

[Fish6891]

Theres one particular mission, when I fly it I can see everything when I turn on my radar, friendly and enemy in all directions, even behind me, are displayed in the HDD as if I were in TWS mode.

 

Brief says I have no AWACS support, I have the difficulty set to realistic, whats goin' on?

[S77th-GOYA]

Do you have an EWR in the mission? That would give a data-link to the Russian fighters.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Do you have an EWR in the mission? That would give a data-link to the Russian fighters.

I was not aware of that feature? If that is the truth, can we have mission builders to include EWR in missions played on line? That way we could fly the Su-27 again.

[Gazehound]

Some of our newer missions for the 504th server have it, and future ones are likely to have it. The ones with all planes on both sides anyway.

[S77th-GOYA]

I was not aware of that feature? If that is the truth, can we have mission builders to include EWR in missions played on line? That way we could fly the Su-27 again.

 

What's wrong with the 27 now?

[Whisper]

* goes hiding waiting for the storm to pass *

 

;)

[192nd_Erdem]

We need a fire.

 

AMRAAM is overmodelled!Tunguskas undermodelled!

 

*sets fire and runs.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

What's wrong with the 27 now?

It does not have ARH missiles!

[Gazehound]

It does not have ARH missiles!

Hold your lock like a man :D

[GGTharos]

It does not have ARH missiles!

 

It also doesn't have the radar problems of the real thing, either.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Hold your lock like a man :D

It does not work with new (after 1.1) ECM's as modeled in game. F-15 pilots launches multiple missiles and Su-27 does not stand a chance after that!

 

In other words, Su-27 is not playable in game any more!

 

Since Su-27S can not carry ARH missiles, I am sure that Russian generals would not put it in the air against F-15 that can carry 8 ARH! Unless AWACS or EWR is on hand! :)

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

It also doesn't have the radar problems of the real thing, either.

What is the point you are trying to make?

[Force_Feedback]

What is the point you are trying to make?

 

Remember the talks about a fire, well, he tried to light one, in a minute a long thread will appear on how superior the F-15 is and how far behind Soviet electronics were lagging (20 years acconding to this chap). Then somebody comes in with hard evidence that he's wrong, and after that the whole topic goes haywire, ending in either a flame war, or with arguments that were used in the last 10 pages repeated over and over, even if some were proven to be wrong. :icon_neut

[britgliderpilot]

Remember the talks about a fire, well, he tried to light one, in a minute a long thread will appear on how superior the F-15 is and how far behind Soviet electronics were lagging (20 years acconding to this chap). Then somebody comes in with hard evidence that he's wrong, and after that the whole topic goes haywire, ending in either a flame war, or with arguments that were used in the last 10 pages repeated over and over, even if some were proven to be wrong. :icon_neut

 

teh Nostradamus!!11!one!!

[504 Wolverine]

teh Nostradamus!!11!one!!

 

 

teh mystic meg +1

[TucksonSonny]

I was not aware of that feature? If that is the truth, can we have mission builders to include EWR in missions played on line? That way we could fly the Su-27 again.

 

 

There is a simple way to give the 27 again his advantage without having ARH missiles (or at least equal balance in multiplayer) against F-15C’s. I know you can defeat an expert AI F-15C but it is just too hard to handle with AMRAAM spammers on line.

Let host servers add a couple of AWACS’s (or 1) for the Red coalition with the Su-27 and at least equal balance in multiplayer will be restored.

You (Hosts) have the right to ignore this request and continue with servers full of F-15C and Mig29S AMRAAM / R-77 spammers.

Anyway AWACS is far more realistic in 1.11!

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I know you can defeat an expert AI F-15C but it is just too hard to handle with AMRAAM spammers on line.

That is exactly what I am talking about!

Let host servers add a couple of AWACS’s (or 1) for the Red coalition with the Su-27 and at least equal balance in multiplayer will be restored.

The EWR would do the same right? I need to try today and see how EWR work with the datalink.

You (Hosts) have the right to ignore this request and continue with servers full of F-15C and Mig29S AMRAAM / R-77 spammers.

Yes! Spammers are the ones who are killing the game! Shoot and run is the tactic that works with F-15 and to some extent with MiG-29.

 

After all, this game was about the Flanker to begin with! However, Flanker can not be flown on line because of lack of EWR or AWACS. Both, the EWR and AWACS (not sure for AWACS) existed when the Su-27S entered the service. Therefore it would be fair to include them in the missions on line!

[Bungle_uk]

Well hopefully they will reintroduce the ability to lock the loadouts again in a future patch. This way, missions can be setup so the f-15 has maximum of 2 amraams and maybe 4 sparrows. It ensures you have to be a little more careful when firing maybe limiting yourself to one at a time to force bandit defensive then close in for a sparrow kill

Like i said though "Hopefully" nothing has been confirmed to my knowlege

 

Coming backon topic (Sortof) I think missions with awacs on both sides as oppose to ewr on both sides would be better as some aircraft only have awacs callouts for bandit reference. With EWR, su27, mig29A(S) would have datalink and a10, f-15, su25(T) and mig 29G (Dont think this has datalink) would have no extra info

[Kenan]

(Brings in the matches, and sets the fire)

 

Su-27 is for real men, F-15C is for lanch and turn-your-tail sissies.

 

(Runs away)

[504 Wolverine]

(Brings in the matches, and sets the fire)

 

Su-25T is for real men, F-15C is for lanch and turn-your-tail sissies.

 

(Runs away)

 

Fixed :p :icon_lol:

 

:horseback

[Yellonet]

Download and run Ironhands "surviving the duel" tutorial and you will get a much better chance to survive the AIM-120.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

This way, missions can be setup so the f-15 has maximum of 2 amraams and maybe 4 sparrows.

 

However, even two ARH is twice as much (numbers wise) then none! From the tactical point of view, two ARH on F-15 are enough to force the Su-27S to go defensive and hen it is an easy job for F-15 to finish the Sukhoi!

 

As is right now, four F-15’s can not be defeated with four Su-27S, period! You are talking about 32 ARH’s against none!

 

There is a need for EWR and/or AWACS in online maps. Otherwise, it is a waste of time trying to fly Sukhoi against F-15 on line!

[GGTharos]

Or you can learn to dodge AIM-120's like a lot of flanker pilots do online right now, and make sure you use your weapons in effective ways. The Su-27's missiles easily outrange the AMRAAM (which is easily outranged by the AIM-7) ... so what's the problem? Don't know how to take advantage of the 120's short legs?

 

Has Locsta's awesome work on the F-Pole video been in vain?

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Download Ironhands "surviving the duel" tutorial and you will get a much better chance to survive the AIM-120.

Real, on line players do not fly the same as AI’s. I can easily defeat AI F-15. However, when playing on line, there are multiple number of airplanes, heavy electronic countermeasures complicated by the fact that friendly ECM’s are clogging the HUD!

 

So the fight is reduced to the ranges at which the radar’s burn through the ECM. Well Sukhoi can’t do anything there! F-15 launches AMRAAM and turn his back, run and that’s it! That is the whole game! It is not fun any more!

[Yellonet]

Has Locsta's awesome work on the F-Pole video been in vain?

Have a link for that? :)