Lord_Pyro Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I am struggling with the whole concept that the TM Warthog is 'the' only decent option. If i only flew the A-10c, then i might be more inclided to agree, however i fly a massive variety of airframes.. fast jets, choppers, WWII & WWI kites, the whole she-bang.. the x52pro fits that role great. I have no issues controlling the complicated functions of the A10c with it, its second nature to me. Hell i flew the Blackshark for a year with a Logitech 3D pro and was happy! :D Bottom line, if my x52pro broke, i'd likely buy another simply so i don't have to learn how to fly my large stable of airframes with a new stick. I just don't believe the Warthog is that good! TrackIR is another story.. an absolute must have! Cliffs of Dover, IL2'46, DCS, RoF, SF2, Formula One 2011, ArmA 1-3, Falcon BMS... All these games are running on my System with the Warthogstick. Dont you ever dare to think a X52 could keep by any meqns up with the quality of the Hotas TM. X52 uses springs and other mechanical components which are ageing and generate permanent inputsignals. Next to this you only have one throttle, showstopper for asymetric thrust flights. Dont get me wrong, the X52 is good for starters and in many terms better than the lowcost models out there. But at one point in your life, when you want to push your hobby to the next lvl, tir, a better stick and rudder pedsare becoming absolutely mandatory. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic70340_1.gif[/sIGPIC]
pii Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I am struggling with the whole concept that the TM Warthog is 'the' only decent option. If i only flew the A-10c, then i might be more inclided to agree, however i fly a massive variety of airframes.. fast jets, choppers, WWII & WWI kites, the whole she-bang.. the x52pro fits that role great. I have no issues controlling the complicated functions of the A10c with it, its second nature to me. Hell i flew the Blackshark for a year with a Logitech 3D pro and was happy! :D Bottom line, if my x52pro broke, i'd likely buy another simply so i don't have to learn how to fly my large stable of airframes with a new stick. I just don't believe the Warthog is that good! TrackIR is another story.. an absolute must have! Well you are wrong it is that good. But to each his own no problem I can certainly see how the price can make people think that, even I did. But I have to say when researching the TM WH it was the only PC device EVER that got universal praise. (unlike their Cougar which got the opposite praise) The only complaint came from people that had the rare failure and had to send it to TM because apparently TM support sucks ass and since it weighs a ton it's very expensive to ship. (Although they will pay you back for the shipping) Unless this thing rust out this JS will last me until I rust out or die.:D the x52 is a nice option but compared to the WH its a cheap plastic toy. If it works for you that's cool but the WH is in a class by itself and IMO is worth the money. I bet they'd sell a ton of them though if the were 250.00. Lets see.... a ton of TM WH HOTAS is like 14 sticks, these things are heavy!:P Seriously they could corner the flight sim market if they sold for 250.00.
pii Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 You are right, a modded TM cougar is still decent. :joystick: How much does a cougar and the modding cost?
schkorpio Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I can totally understand not changing sticks if you are used to one. But I'll second that the TM Warthog is a great stick, it is a very solid and quality feeling piece of hardware :) I used to have a starndard x52, and that was nice, but the Warthog is another level - although the price certainly is another level too :) Sponsored by: http://www.ozpc.com.au
pii Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 you figure that ocules rift will be cheaper than tir? It looks cool though, it would be nice to be able to look over the shoulder to a target! Anyway, i have a tir 3 pro with vector expansion to spare, so if ur in europe i can mail it to ya for 25 euros + shipping cost if you want I think he thinks that will be competition for the TIR and will drive the price down. I'm not so sure it will as they really don't seem to be the same thing and the O.R. may not even get support or "take off". even if it does it isn't going to be anytime soon.
buedi Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I think he thinks that will be competition for the TIR and will drive the price down. I'm not so sure it will as they really don't seem to be the same thing and the O.R. may not even get support or "take off". even if it does it isn't going to be anytime soon. You´re right. I did not see Sparkies Post somehow. My assumption is that a lot of people who might be buying a TrackIR now for their "action games" might be tempted to buy an Oculus Rift if it really comes in the same price range or even cheaper than the Development model. Of course, if it will cost 500 bucks or more, it will not affect the TrackIR market. I did not mean that the Oculus Rift will be cheaper than a TrackIR, that would be stupid :-) If I would play games that do not require me to press buttons on external additional Hardware or the Keyboard (like Flight Sims), then I would be very tempted to go the VR route for the better immersion and "I´m in the game" feeling which the Oculus Rift should deliver. And to the Warthog discussion above: You see that I´m not hammering out 180 Bucks for a TrackIR, but I shelled out 270€ for a TM Warthog. I also was pessimistic, but as soon as you open the package and take out the Stick with its cold metal then you´re lost. Since then it sits on my Desk like a king and every flight I take with it is just pure joy. It´s tons of Money, but if I look around what Hardware I bought for my hobby, besides the Logitech G25, this is the best piece of Hardware I bought for a PC hobby ever. It makes me smile, it makes me grin... especially when pressing the 1st stage of the Trigger with a metallic "click" to enable PAC and then activating the 2nd Stage. A lot of people use it in FSX too (I will too, but since I Discovered DCS last November, FSX is resting a bit). The only thing I would probably miss is when I would fly 2nd WW planes ONLY is Force Feedback. In the A2A Spitfire or Mustang in FSX, it helps a lot to push the Airplane to the very limits just before it stalls. That´s easier with FFB. But apart from that, the TM Warthog Stick is the most precise Stick I ever had. :joystick:
Irregular programming Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) How much does a cougar and the modding cost? Like all my comments on this forum it was a bit tounge in cheek, I haven't tried the warthog and I don't doubt that it's better in many ways than my old stick is now. My cougar is equipped with a FSSB2, which means it ended at a price far above the WH (maybe 800$ total) :) But there are way cheaper mods for it that I hear are good, even the FSSB1 would probably do the same thing that mine does now. Edited March 21, 2013 by Irregular programming
MadTommy Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 *fingers in ears* la la la la la la la la la la la.. I don't want to hear what you are ALL saying.. please don't make me spend 300 notes on a new stick! :D i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
112th_Rossi Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I think he thinks that will be competition for the TIR and will drive the price down. I'm not so sure it will as they really don't seem to be the same thing and the O.R. may not even get support or "take off". even if it does it isn't going to be anytime soon. Not true. SDK kits are being shipped in May to developers and the retail is down for this year or early next. It's extremely promising and I can't see why DCS can't be adapted to accomodate it. If OC follows a standard input model it should be fairly easy to integrate.
Irregular programming Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Not true. SDK kits are being shipped in May to developers and the retail is down for this year or early next. It's extremely promising and I can't see why DCS can't be adapted to accomodate it. If OC follows a standard input model it should be fairly easy to integrate. It doesn't have 6 dof, unless they changed that in the recent version. I guess you can put a track IR on it. :pilotfly:
112th_Rossi Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 It has gyroscopic and accelerometer sensitivity so should be able to implement 6DOF
schkorpio Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 It has gyroscopic and accelerometer sensitivity so should be able to implement 6DOF I've heard (I think it might have been from a CES interview) that the accelerometer and gyro aren't good enough for proper 6DOF movment, as it will fairly quickly forget where it's currently location is. So a TrackIR might still be needed for moving about rather than just looking about. Sponsored by: http://www.ozpc.com.au
pii Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Not true. SDK kits are being shipped in May to developers and the retail is down for this year or early next. It's extremely promising and I can't see why DCS can't be adapted to accomodate it. If OC follows a standard input model it should be fairly easy to integrate. I didn't say they weren't going to try but sending out SDK's is a long way from it "taking off" and becoming popular. It looks cool but I"d like to see how well it really works, how much it really cost and how much support it really gets. And I don't think integrating any new tech into a software product that probably has a 1,000,000+ lines of code easy and at this point I can't see ED doing it unless they get paid for it. But hey I've beeen wrong before.
Hamblue Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 A little off topic but looking at some of the numbers that people put up for the hardware I kind of feel sorry for companies that make the software that the hardware is meant to be used on (such as dcs series). They do all the big work and get a measley 30 bucks for software while the hardware people make the big bucks. Actually people with the expensive hardware will often complain about the software price :music_whistling: Asus Sabertooth P67 Motherboard 2600k CPU, 16 gig DDR3, 1600. Samsung 830, 256 gig hard drive, GTX780 Video Card, Warthog Hotas, Razer Mamba mouse. Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals. Trackir 5, Verizon FIOS 25Meg Up/Down
Konrad Friedrich Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 *fingers in ears* la la la la la la la la la la la.. I don't want to hear what you are ALL saying.. please don't make me spend 300 notes on a new stick! :D It is that good. It is that good. It is that good. It is that good. :D:D:D Sooner or later you'll buy it anyway :smilewink: :joystick:
Stinky Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 *fingers in ears* la la la la la la la la la la la.. I don't want to hear what you are ALL saying.. please don't make me spend 300 notes on a new stick! :D I was like that for months :megalol: Saying to myself "you don't need it, you don't". Then I saw it in a shop and got a closer look and feel. I was sold and on a new mission .... Somehow I had to convince my wife that I had to have one. Proud owner of a TM warthog for months now :pilotfly:
snuffles Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) While you've chosen products to compliment DCSW well, it goes without saying that whatever best suits an individual is also works as well as, perhaps if not better than the more expensive lines of products available to simmers. Don't discount that there are a number of excellent less-expensive joysticks out there, and TrackIR is not the only accurate solution to headtracking available. Edited March 23, 2013 by Tasselhoff i had a cup of tea. it was nice. I don't always openly list my things. But when I do, I put it in my signature.
Oznerol256 Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I didn't say they weren't going to try but sending out SDK's is a long way from it "taking off" and becoming popular. It looks cool but I"d like to see how well it really works, how much it really cost and how much support it really gets. And I don't think integrating any new tech into a software product that probably has a 1,000,000+ lines of code easy and at this point I can't see ED doing it unless they get paid for it. But hey I've beeen wrong before. Sure ED wont integrate it if they dont get any profit out of it. However, integrating of hardware like that should be very easy because Oculus Rift is basically a 3D monitor and an headtracking unit. Both are already implemented. So basically, it should work out of the box. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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