jp203000 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Any news? warthog's not a good choice for fighter. I think TM will not miss this opportunity.:noexpression:
Sanch0 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I'd like to have Eagle HOTAS :smartass: PVAF "A fighter without a gun... is like an airplane without a wing" dedicated to F-4 Phantom
MTFDarkEagle Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 warthog's not a good choice for fighter. Why not? Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 TM Hornet Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Suchacz Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) ...warthog's not a good choice for fighter ...:noexpression: I think, that you are way too pampered :lol: I'm flying everything with my G940. Warthog, Черная Акула, as well as Mustang... IMHO a little disadvantage of Hotas Warthog is its lack of additional analog axis, but everything else is all right to handle every aircraft that will come on your mind. Edited March 22, 2013 by Suchacz Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
Sierra99 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Any news? warthog's not a good choice for fighter. I think TM will not miss this opportunity.:noexpression: Not sure I agree... http://bugeyetech.com/ This site has examples of the Sticks and Throttles of many different aircraft. You can see the Warthog throttles are very similar to F-15 and The Control Stick is very close to the F-16... If you are saying the Stick is not "Correct" for the F-15/18...I'd agree. BUt it is obviously a good choice and well designed because it keeps getting carried forward from aircraft to aircraft. Sierra [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 OOOoooo... I might have to give them a phone call.. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Not sure I agree... http://bugeyetech.com/ This site has examples of the Sticks and Throttles of many different aircraft. You can see the Warthog throttles are very similar to F-15 and The Control Stick is very close to the F-16... If you are saying the Stick is not "Correct" for the F-15/18...I'd agree. BUt it is obviously a good choice and well designed because it keeps getting carried forward from aircraft to aircraft. Sierra USAF F-16 Stick should be the same as the USAF A-10C USAF A-10 Throttle should be the same as the F-15A/C Throttle. At least eh same molding and same "Button/HAT/Switch" Locations, whether or not the wiring is the same and they are plug n play between the 2 planes is another story. If anything, TM can make a "F-15C Stick" expansion to the TM Warthog. Or one can simply use TM Warthog Throttle, with the SunCom F-15E Stick modded to USB. Edited March 22, 2013 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
cichlidfan Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I would not hold my breath. If TM had a stronger interest in the flight sim community they would still make pedals for flight sims too. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 better off converting a Gameport Suncom to USB Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 cheaper to by a SunCom and just gut the stick, and stuff CH Wiring in it. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Nealius Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Not sure I agree... http://bugeyetech.com/ This site has examples of the Sticks and Throttles of many different aircraft. You can see the Warthog throttles are very similar to F-15 and The Control Stick is very close to the F-16... If you are saying the Stick is not "Correct" for the F-15/18...I'd agree. BUt it is obviously a good choice and well designed because it keeps getting carried forward from aircraft to aircraft. Sierra The stick may work for the F-16, but not the throttle. Unless the Warthog's throttle has DGFT/MRM override mode switches, radar antenna elevation and TGP range knobs on it too...
Eddie Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 The stick may work for the F-16, but not the throttle. Unless the Warthog's throttle has DGFT/MRM override mode switches, radar antenna elevation and TGP range knobs on it too... The Warthog throttle and stick combination has more switches than ANY other fighter aircraft stick and throttle. Using a TM WH to fly a Hornet or Eagle, or any other aircraft is no different to using a Saitek X52 or any other generic HOTAS. There are enough hats, switches, and buttons on the WH to configure HOTAS function for any western fighter. In fact, other than the Strike Eagle you'll struggle to use all the buttons on the WH for anything other than the Hog. The only thing not right on the throttle is a rotary axis for RADAR antenna elevation, but there is an axis on the throttle base that can be used for the function, it would simply require moving your fingers a couple of inches.
Sierra99 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 The stick may work for the F-16, but not the throttle. Unless the Warthog's throttle has DGFT/MRM override mode switches, radar antenna elevation and TGP range knobs on it too... No, I didn't say that clearly... The A-10C stick is patterned / stolen from the F-16. The original A-10 stick was pretty sparse... (See photo) The throttles original throttles are close, but still lacked enough switches so they patterned / stole the right throttle from the F-15 and retailed the function of the switches on the Left throttle As far as i know the F-16 CMS switch doesn't have the Z-axis... And the Left F-15 throttle has an additional wheel on the outside edge... But the basic design is the same. (Funny thing is I can't find a photo of an F-18 throttle quadrant. I'm curious how close it is to the -10/-15 throttles since they are the same vintage aircraft) The F-16 throttle is its own animal. In short, if the Next DCS aircraft is an F-15, you'd need a new stick, the throttle would be close...if its an F-18... You'd need a new stick, I have no idea if the throttles are close... If its an F-16, I can break out me Cougar and I'm all set. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61127/f18/Lock%20On/throttle1.jpg Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I also saw somewhere someone made F-15 Sticks for the TM System, just remove you A-10C Stick and clip the F-15 Stick on and turn the retainer Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Nealius Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 The only thing not right on the throttle is a rotary axis for RADAR antenna elevation, but there is an axis on the throttle base that can be used for the function, it would simply require moving your fingers a couple of inches. That's what I was looking at, primarily. The X52 has two rotaries on the throttle that I use for antenna elevation and TGP zoom (also gain control on the ground radar) in Falcon. The A-10 throttle doesn't appear to have either according to the DCS manual.
Sierra99 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I also saw somewhere someone made F-15 Sticks for the TM System, just remove you A-10C Stick and clip the F-15 Stick on and turn the retainer It would be nice if TM followed thru and produced a stick for whatever comes out... After all it was "Hinted" that the detachable stick would allow for further models as time went on...We shall see. It would also be nice if someone offered a USB upgrade for the Cougar Throttle... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
Eddie Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 That's what I was looking at, primarily. The X52 has two rotaries on the throttle that I use for antenna elevation and TGP zoom (also gain control on the ground radar) in Falcon. The A-10 throttle doesn't appear to have either according to the DCS manual. No it doesn't, because obviously the A-10C doesn't. There is however a rotary on the throttle base which can happily be used for antenna elevation. And TGP zoom isn't on a rotary IRL, so.... Obviously a bespoke HOTAS for any given aircraft is preferable, but the Warthog is still the best HOTAS on the market, and just as usable for fast jets as any other system out there. If we do see a Hornet or Eagle stick from TM, I'll be the first to buy one, but if they don't make one I'll be quite happy with the WH.
SkateZilla Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 isnt TGP zoom on the foreward/aft of a hat switch? Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Eddie Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 In the A-10C yes. Not 100% sure about all other jets, but the ones I know are on switches/hats as well.
Nealius Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) No it doesn't, because obviously the A-10C doesn't. There is however a rotary on the throttle base which can happily be used for antenna elevation. And TGP zoom isn't on a rotary IRL, so.... The Manual Range/Uncage Switch (which is actually a rotary knob) on the F-16 throttle controls zoom on the TGP. The Pinky Switch selects Wide or Narrow and the Manual Range knob controls finer zoom adjustments (1.0x-4.0x IIRC) within Wide or Narrow. The same knob controls gain on the ground radar. Of course you can use the TM Warthog for an F-16, but if you wanted all the functionality it would need another rotary besides the one on the throttle base. I find it very interesting that even though these aircraft have similar HOTAS controls and functions, they still behave differently. I keep finding myself in the A-10 going "Why the hell isn't DMS-aft switching SOI?!" :doh: Edited March 22, 2013 by Nealius
Eddie Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Seems odd that the digital zoom is assigned to a rotary. There will be plenty of buttons left on the WH to use them for such functions if needs be. Most western combat aircraft share similar control concepts, SOI, SPI etc are common ways of dealing with multiple sensors, and the HOTAS controls follow the same design theory so often have common features.
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