AGM-86 240KT Nuclear Warhead

[LexiconG2]

There is a ton of interesting and cool stuff I'd love to see in DCS. Nukes are not one of them.

 

Still there is about 10 million people that will like it so.... I think it would be a cool project I used to work with nuclear simulations at Lockheed-Martin so I could make it very realistic. However we had the most robust network and CPU/GPU clusters in the world.

Edited April 25, 2013 by LexiconG2

[LexiconG2]

Nevada, OMG don't mention the war !!!

 

What war? The war we can simulate? There is no war in Nevada but the last time I flew out of Las Vegas with that hangover I wanted to nuke that place. lol :-P

Edited April 25, 2013 by LexiconG2

[Kameni]

 

Imagine this amound of smoke in current version of DCS...

I believe it would "shut down the Internet" :lol:

[bigian]

What war? The war we can simulate? There is no war in Nevada but the last time I flew out of Las Vegas with that hangover I wanted to nuke that place. lol :-P

 

 

I meant the war over when we will get the long promised Nevada map :-)

Enjoying this sim again after investing loads on kit to help me pass my real world pilots license !

 

 

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[104th_Cobra]

What are the reasons for not modelling tactical nukes, from free fall bombs to cruise missiles? It is with who create a mission to use it with resource manager, in a particular (and frightening dooms day) mission, or not.

[ENO]

I've recently gone tac level nuke in one of my missions- the first one is a detonation set by a trigger in an area loaded with defensive positions- and the second one is a retaliatory strike from a B52. I have it's payload as MK82s... I put in a "bomb map object" waypoint action in there and put a 1 mile zone in place with a "bomb in zone" trigger that runs once and results in a large explosion "action." This is conditional on the fact that the original nuke detonation happened (a random event)... so the bomb in zone trigger doesn't work unless it has already happened (to prevent a missfire).

[Speed]

You can make things that look kinda like nukes, at least at night, but the frame rate is really bad.

vGzUKRoTII0

[Wolf Rider]

Nukes? the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel, with a scatter gun :doh:

 

Chemicals? just bad form and poor taste :music_whistling:

 

( 1 Tonne = 1,000Kg - metric

1 x Ton = 2,000lb - imperial

K = 1,000

 

1 KT = 1,000,000Kg or 2,000,000lb depending on Metric or Imperial)

Edited April 26, 2013 by Wolf Rider

[Azraeil]

IMO, nukes are OP and not fun...unless you are playing Supreme Commander, then they are fun. But not so much in a flight sim.

 

"Strategic Launch Detected"

 

[hotrod525]

240KT is 240,000,000 million pounds of TNT which would be a big boom you can hear from the cockpit. :-) Or maybe I am thinking of MT (Mega Tons) not sure my head hurts.

 

No, 240 Kiloton is 240 000 pound of TNT. 1 Megaton is 1 Milion pound.

[cichlidfan]

No, 240 Kiloton is 240 000 pound of TNT. 1 Megaton is 1 Milion pound.

 

Actually not correct.

 

The ton being referenced is actually a metric ton. With that in mind a kiloton is the equivalent of 1000 metric tons of TNT (a megaton is 1,000,000 metric tons). So 240 kilotons is 240,000 metric tons of TNT.

 

A metric ton is roughly equal to 2205 US pounds.

Edited April 27, 2013 by cichlidfan

[VincentLaw]

The whole "metric ton" thing is annoying to me because it is completely 100% redundant. 1 metric ton = 1 Mg, so why don't we just use gram notation instead? it scales up and down as much as you want.

 

As for nukes in DCS, I think this is a perfectly valid addition. For people that think they are OP, sure they would be OP for a regular A-10 "go bust some tanks" mission, but missions could be designed specifically around the use of (or defense against) nukes, which would make them more suitable. Why not an F-14 mission using AIM-54s to intercept nuke armed bombers? (Once there is a flyable F-14...)

[Wolf Rider]

Actually not correct.

 

The ton being referenced is actually a metric ton. With that in mind a kiloton is the equivalent of 1000 metric tons of TNT (a megaton is 1,000,000 metric tons). So 240 kilotons is 240,000 metric tons of TNT.

 

A metric ton is roughly equal to 2205 US pounds.

 

The whole "metric ton" thing is annoying to me because it is completely 100% redundant. 1 metric ton = 1 Mg, so why don't we just use gram notation instead? it scales up and down as much as you want.

 

 

 

The "metric" ton, is actually TONNE, the imperial ton is TON. (not to be confused by the US 2,000lb (short) ton and UK 2240lb (long) ton :) )

Its not my intention to be pedantic, but to clarify things and hopefully alleviate some of the confusion... metric = tonne and imperial (US or UK) = ton. The use of "Metric Ton" seeks to clarify (delineate between the two) weight systems also but in itself also cause a bit of confusion by way of the incorrect use of the word 'ton' (Metric Tonne should be the correct use)

Edited April 28, 2013 by Wolf Rider

[Kaktus29]

well, i think using a 240kT nuke is too strong, 240 is way to powerful to be used in DCS.. a small tactical 5 kT is okei, .. 240kT is already a massive strategic ordnance .. capable of levelling New York.. or any major big city..

 

Not to mention the devastation this would bring to the atmosphere and radiation thrown in the air and later rains down in even bigger dispersed area ..

 

Small tac. nukes from 2-5 kT are okei.. they would still be very strong in an essence they would level any major village..

[Yellonet]

well, i think using a 240kT nuke is too strong, 240 is way to powerful to be used in DCS.. a small tactical 5 kT is okei, .. 240kT is already a massive strategic ordnance .. capable of levelling New York.. or any major big city..

 

Not to mention the devastation this would bring to the atmosphere and radiation thrown in the air and later rains down in even bigger dispersed area ..

 

Small tac. nukes from 2-5 kT are okei.. they would still be very strong in an essence they would level any major village..

Actually 240kT isn't as powerful as you think. I'm only guessing, but the destructive range of an explosion "should" roughly be inversely proportional to the square of the range, thus, you need a big increase in yield strength to significantly increase the destructive range of the explosion.

 

It would be nice to see a 240kT nuke go off in the game, a fireball with about 500 m diameter would be seen far away :geek:

 

http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

[Kaktus29]

@yellonet .. especially at night.. the nuke would be seen almost in any part of the DCS map right now )) especially if detonated in the middle of the map..

 

but, it wouldn't be realistic, cuz if nukes are used, even tac. nukes in real life and even in simulated world you would have to simulate a retaliation, and then increase of yield in further retaliation thus ending the whole fiasco in 3 hour later with message "Game over!" . . .

[VincentLaw]

The "metric" ton, is actually TONNE, the imperial ton is TON. (not to be confused by the US 2,000lb (short) ton and UK 2240lb (long) ton :) )

Its not my intention to be pedantic, but to clarify things and hopefully alleviate some of the confusion... metric = tonne and imperial (US or UK) = ton. The use of "Metric Ton" seeks to clarify (delineate between the two) weight systems also but in itself also cause a bit of confusion by way of the incorrect use of the word 'ton' (Metric Tonne should be the correct use)

I would agree with you, except that I disagree with the existence of the unit at all. It only serves to needlessly complicate and confuse the metric system.

 

...Here in 'Merica, we call it metric ton'

[Wolf Rider]

@ VincentLaw...

 

"...Here in 'Merica, we call it metric ton'" That's also why there are lots of conversion errors :music_whistling:...

All the US touring acts and theatre opera roadshows use the true metric system... thank heavens

[Rangi]

The best thing about a nuke in-game would be to simulate the EMP and knock out everybodys electronics within a certain radius.

[104th_Cobra]

^^This.

 

Down the road to thermonuclear war...

 

:unsure:

[Yellonet]

Aren't modern aircraft protected against EMP? :huh:

[NineLine]

I am just glad you are not a Leader of a major country, first time you caught your junk in your zipper some poor unsuspecting country gets nuked :)

 

Quite correct.

 

In our particular circumstances it won''t work too well, would it? I hop onto a server hosting a well-structured mission with an excellent mission-briefing, well attended with virtual pilots about to execute their mission plans with utmost skill and professionalism.

 

Oh, have I forgot to mention that this particular mission has been painstakingly planned for weeks and everyone is as excited as a bunch of giggly seniors attending their first wet T-Shirt contest?

 

Me, I'm having a bad day, just caught my stick-and-stones in my zipper after being late on a must-be-done-chore-before -being-allowed-near-PC for she-who-shall-not-be-named. In my irritation I decide to go for broke and drop a nuke or three........

 

BOOM!

 

Map obliterated!

 

Restart, rinse and repeat.

 

Will get pretty old pretty quickly.

 

Our sandbox is too small for nukes.

[LexiconG2]

I'm still in the pipe once this sim has a new engine. I got some physics references from LM to start with. :-) Super Hornet I believe even the F-18C AFM could carry this weapon. I will have to research more.

[LexiconG2]

@yellonet .. especially at night.. the nuke would be seen almost in any part of the DCS map right now )) especially if detonated in the middle of the map..

 

but, it wouldn't be realistic, cuz if nukes are used, even tac. nukes in real life and even in simulated world you would have to simulate a retaliation, and then increase of yield in further retaliation thus ending the whole fiasco in 3 hour later with message "Game over!" . . .

 

 

For me its more of a power play. Visual stimulation of mass destruction and the pleasure of an AFM like F-35, F-18E with my nuke on board. Taxi, take off and absolutely destroy your friends online. ;-P

[Grim_Smiles]

For me its more of a power play. Visual stimulation of mass destruction and the pleasure of an AFM like F-35, F-18E with my nuke on board. Taxi, take off and absolutely destroy your friends online. ;-P

 

I don't know man.

 

My wingman and I have just completed a tough mission. We RTB low on fuel, maybe with a few holes in us but we're still flying. We BS and chat before beginning our final. Suddenly an aircraft appears high in the sky. Troll meme face plastered on the nose. A penis sketched hastily on the left wing. His plane wobbles from the weight of a large bomb under his fuselage.

 

Suddenly he makes a kamikaze dive for the runaway we are landing on. The bomb releases and a cryptic message pops up on chat "ELEVENTYONE!!!!!! PWN JOU NOOBZ!!! ROFLCOPTER!!!!!". The three of us disappear in a massive flash of light.

 

Would really piss in my cheerios.