sylkhan Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 I just read the news about f15/su27 mid-core level (AFM +6dof) for DSCW and would like to know if there are any plans for Su25A and others FC3 planes, to be sell separately.
Corsair Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Frogfoot series (-25/-25T) are already AFM (or at least, they are not SFM).
cichlidfan Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 I just read the news about f15/su27 mid-core level (AFM +6dof) for DSCW and would like to know if there are any plans for Su25A and others FC3 planes, to be sell separately. What you read is what they have announced. If they decide to announce anything more you will probably read it in the same place. ;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Slippery Pete Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 I already asked about this in the update thread and didnt get an answer. I would be more than willing to pay for a stand alone Su-25A. After all it is already at the same standard that "DCS" Su-27/F-15C are being brought to. So why not liberate the Su-25A from the 'Lock On' brand as well? Please relase "DCS: Su-25A".
KaspeR32 Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 I would love a stand alone Su-25A or Su-25T stand alone product with 6 DOF + AFM. I have a blast with the Su-25T as is, so with the 3D pit it would be even better. I mean, they can already release the Su-25A as is right now. I would buy it. EDIT: I mean the Su-25A stand alone obviously, without the need for LockOn or whatever pre-req you need for FC3. Intel i5-2500k @ 4.4GHz w/ H70 liquid cooler, ASRock PRO3-M Z68 Mobo, 32G 1600Mhz Mushkin RAM, EVGA GTX970 4GB , OCZ Agility 3 128g SSD, SanDisk 240g SSD, Win7 64-bit --Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/livingfood --
Slippery Pete Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Same thing with the A-10A, already has AFM, already has 6DoF, technically now it fits with the 'DCS' standard too. If the A-10A and the Su-25A were re-branded and sold as 'DCS', along with the F-15C and Su-27, that's 4 planes that could be generating more revenue for ED, potential $ from customers who do not want to buy FC:3 just for the one or two planes they want to fly.
eurofor Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 I don't have FC3 but I just looked at the current state of these in a youtube vid and I have to agree. If the strategy is to release mid range modules and then maybe take the next step up for a later release with the Su-27 and F-15C then why not release the Su-25 and A-10A as they are currently? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
theChris Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 I can speak for the su-25a but not the a-10a yet (due to recent experiences). The su-25a flight model is amazing, combined with the challenge of no tv this plane is great fun. Just the other day before i realized it has an afm i flew over to engage an enemy tank column but got hit by a couple stingers. 4km down the road with no engine power i was able to make a crash landing on the grass at about 300km/h. This truely impressed me, if i was in a flanker/mig29 or f-15c i would haveprobably flown underground upon landing :thumbup:
K2mil Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 IMHO ED would profit if they took out all 6DOF + AFM airpalnes from FC3 and turn them into Stan alone products at reduced price. INTEL CORE I7 6700K ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII HERO ASUS ROG GTX1080Ti Strix OC 16GB @ 4100 MHz |CORSAIR Intel 730 SSD 240GB Corsair 850 W Modular PSU Corsair Obsidian 650d Logitech X-56 HOTAS ,Saitek X-65F HOTAS, Pro Ruder Pedals, Pro Flight Instrument Panel NP TrackIr 5 Pro Windows 10 PRO
Airbuster Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) I really don't like this idea with removing aircraft from fc3/lockon and selling them as a stand alone product. So, for F-15 and Su-27 standalone there is AFM being developed, what about my FC3? I want the same goodie. I smell Flaming Cliffs 3.5 payable update in near future and I will really hate to pay extra for what should have been in the final release in the first place. Edited May 11, 2013 by Airbuster
ishtmail Posted May 11, 2013 Posted May 11, 2013 A-10A does NOT have AFM yet. This was promised but is not yet implemented with the latest 1.2.4 update. Also, 6DOF cockpit and AFM alone does not make a DCS title. The promised SU27 and F15C will NOT be DCS aircraft, they will be standalone modules with systems and avionics from FC3, 3D models and 6DOF cockpits from FC3, and a new AFM flight model developed. All this will LATER be developed into a proper DCS module (on par with A10C and KA50). Airbuster, you bought FC3 and have already received MORE than was initially promised. You got several new 3D models and several new 6DOF cockpits, which are all features that were not promised initially for FC3 (it was initially sold with only a new model for F15 and a new F15 6DOF cockpit). What 'should have been' in the final release in the first place does not matter. You knew EXACTLY what you were buying when you purchased FC3. That means FC3 aircraft WITHOUT AFM. If ED decides to charge for the AFM upgrade, it is their right to do so. If they give us FC3 customers a discount, I'll be a happy camper. 1 DCS A10C Warthog, DCS Black Shark 2, DCS P51D Mustang, DCS UH-1H Huey, DCS Mi-8MTV2 Magnificent Eight, Flaming Cliffs 3, Combined Arms System: Intel i7 4770k @4,2GHz; MSI Z87-G65; 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz RAM; 128GB SSD SATA3 (system disk); 2TB HDD SATA3 (games disk); Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X; Windows 7 64bit Flight controls: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog; Saitek Pro Flight Combat Rudder; TrackIR 5; Thrustmaster F16 MFDs; 2x 8'' LCD screens (VGA) for MFD display; 27'' LG LCD full HD main display
schroedi Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 Hmm, that's not 100% correct. Yes, in the final product of FC3 you get some more features than promised during beta time but don't forget that they rised the price form 39,99 to 49,99. So it is more like you paid more so you get more and you already said that they promised the AFM for the A-10A during beta stage but till today this feature is not implemented and who knows if it ever will be. Maybe ED choose to sell the AFM A-10A like the F-15C and Su-27 as a seperate module.
ishtmail Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 AFM for A10A was promised for FC3, and ED will NOT fail to fulfill this promise. It was said by Wags on February 15th that AFM for A10a will NOT be ready for 1.2.3 update, so the earliest they could deliver it was on April 30th when 1.2.4 was released. In the worst case scenario, AFM for A10a is now 12 days 'late'. 12 days, and we're already reading disgruntled comments about it. But the fact is, Wags did NOT promise AFM for 1.2.4 update, either! He only promised that it will come! The only thing we know is that AFM for A10a was promised for FC3, so when AFM for A10a is finished, it will be given to FC3 owners, because I don't see ED as liars. Any other speculation is irrelevant. If ED fulfills their promise to FC3 owners (and I haven't yet seen any info that contradicts this), it doesn't matter if they later offer A10A as a standalone module. DCS A10C Warthog, DCS Black Shark 2, DCS P51D Mustang, DCS UH-1H Huey, DCS Mi-8MTV2 Magnificent Eight, Flaming Cliffs 3, Combined Arms System: Intel i7 4770k @4,2GHz; MSI Z87-G65; 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz RAM; 128GB SSD SATA3 (system disk); 2TB HDD SATA3 (games disk); Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X; Windows 7 64bit Flight controls: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog; Saitek Pro Flight Combat Rudder; TrackIR 5; Thrustmaster F16 MFDs; 2x 8'' LCD screens (VGA) for MFD display; 27'' LG LCD full HD main display
whitehot Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 Same thing with the A-10A, already has AFM, already has 6DoF, technically now it fits with the 'DCS' standard too. If the A-10A and the Su-25A were re-branded and sold as 'DCS', along with the F-15C and Su-27, that's 4 planes that could be generating more revenue for ED, potential $ from customers who do not want to buy FC:3 just for the one or two planes they want to fly. no please, this kind of comment may be misleading. The label "DCS" goes to modules that have both an AFM, and their systems modeled down to what the current sim engine allows. So the A-10A and the SU-25s, although now having an AFM, are still very far from being full "DCS standard" aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 6700K @ 4.2, MSI M5 Z170A Gaming, NZXT X61 Kraken liquid cooler, PNY Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 Mhz C15, samsung 840 evo SSD, CoolerMaster 1000W Gold rated PSU, NZXT Noctis 450 cabinet, Samsung S240SW 24' 1920x1200 LED panel, X-52 Pro Flight stick. W10 Pro x64 1809, NO antivirus EVER
zaelu Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 They could call them beta until proper avionics are developed. DCS mean Digital Combat Simulation... not Digitus Clickus Systemus. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
pepin1234 Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 no please, this kind of comment may be misleading. The label "DCS" goes to modules that have both an AFM, and their systems modeled down to what the current sim engine allows. So the A-10A and the SU-25s, although now having an AFM, are still very far from being full "DCS standard" aircraft. I dont think so. Folk our Sim is military, and a lot of info is classified. For example the Su-25T, there are not much info about it but the main systems could be implemented, radio communications, engine systems, armament panels switches and can be a DCS too, only not all implemented because there is not info about it. ED should do a new category of DCS and put some aircraft with classified info into this group. Why not good pits for everybody :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Slippery Pete Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 no please, this kind of comment may be misleading. The label "DCS" goes to modules that have both an AFM, and their systems modeled down to what the current sim engine allows. So the A-10A and the SU-25s, although now having an AFM, are still very far from being full "DCS standard" aircraft. I guess you missed the latest announcement of DCS:F-15C/Su-27. Which will not be released with clickable cockpits, and will be on the same level of detail as the already flyable Su-25A...
martinistripes Posted May 12, 2013 Posted May 12, 2013 I guess you missed the latest announcement of DCS:F-15C/Su-27. Which will not be released with clickable cockpits, and will be on the same level of detail as the already flyable Su-25A... Read the announcement again. Valve Index | RTX 4080 (Mobile) | i9-14900HX @ 2.20 GHz | 32GB RAM
sylkhan Posted May 13, 2013 Author Posted May 13, 2013 Read the announcement again. Slippery Pete is right, f15/su27 for DCS will be released with the same level as su25A. After that, ED want to make them full DCS level (avionic,clickable pit...).
Kaktus29 Posted May 13, 2013 Posted May 13, 2013 i think why its hard to transfer A-10A and Su-25A to DCS is you have to do something to call it a "new" project.. if ED would just transfer them to DCS to no cost to the customers who bought FC3 for instance.. Ubisoft would raise the alarm of intelectual "theft" and ED would be in trouble.. ED needs to ADD something like 6DOF or AFM or even the smallest change so in case this goes to court they can prove this is a NEW product belonging to DCS franchise and has nothing to do with FC3 and LockOn respectively.. But i think this tranfer is needed, especially for the new customers who are just entering into the ED realm.. why waste money with customers buying lockon, than flaming cliffs, FC2, FC3 etc.. at every step bleed some profits to Ubisoft who are seating pretty and making money with no effort whatsoever. I'm all for the transfer to DCS.. but something will need to be "added" to the modules to make it bulletproof to ubisoft whining on court if it comes to proving intellectual property..
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martinistripes Posted May 13, 2013 Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) f15/su27 for DCS will be released with the same level as su25A. ...is correct, but that's not what was said. Slippery Pete seems to think DCS: F-15 and Su-27 will be released without fully clickable pits. My understanding is that ED will release mid-level F-15C and Su-27 for DCS World. This is different to DCS: F-15C and DCS: Su-27. Later, after the release of DCS: F/A-18 they will upgrade the F-15C and Su-27 to full DCS fidelity. My guess is they'll charge again for those that want the full works as opposed to the mid-level releases (and rightly so). It's been explained before DCS:F-15C is not the same as F-15C for DCS World. Each DCS badged aircraft is a prestigious achievement and what sets ED apart from other sim makers. I really doubt they're gonna start throwing them out half baked. Edited May 13, 2013 by martinistripes Valve Index | RTX 4080 (Mobile) | i9-14900HX @ 2.20 GHz | 32GB RAM
Dr_Arrow Posted May 13, 2013 Posted May 13, 2013 It would be great to have Su-25A/T at DCS level. We already have AFM including detailed engine model +6DOF pit and there is no really complicated avionics - just add coms, basic avionics, weapon control system is also very simple. I don't think it would need to much work to bring it to DCS standard and could probably sell very well as DCS:Su-25A as it is very popular in Russia and to some extent also in other markets.
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