Vortex ring state tonned down in 1.2.4.12913.167

[hreich]

Has anybody improved their transition from forward flight to hover after new patch?

I seem to land easier now - without that rapid uncontrolled descents into ground..

[Devrim]

Me!

 

I wrote that in several threads. After update, my hovering and approaching skills have rapidly improved(!) :D :D

 

Something has changed and done really perfect!

 

Thanks Belsimtek!.

[Cedaway]

I have the feeling it has changed too. I die less :) but sill die often ;)

[Mogster]

I think its a placebo. You can hit the ground harder without exploding, VRS is still hard/impossible to get out of.

[fjacobsen]

I think taht triggering VRS is the same as before, but thye sudden increase of decend rate when loosing ETL is less pronounced or more gradual.

 

VRS is relative easy to get out of if You have the reqired altitude.

Lower the collective and get some forward airspeed and - voila.

[TimeKilla]

Not really noticed any changes to flight model but you never know.

[cichlidfan]

I think its a placebo. You can hit the ground harder without exploding, VRS is still hard/impossible to get out of.

 

Updates always generate these placebo effects. The Mustang was the same way even though the devs would say there were no changes.

 

Perhaps we are actually getting better!! ;)

[Devrim]

Guys. Please don't make me install v.1.2.4, get a track, and later update latest version and play the track. :) {lyrics of the song composed by me}

 

That's not a placebo. Ok, may be it's not VRS. But it must be another adjust, as fjacobsen stated. But, something has been changed nicely.

 

I had trouble about VRS and approaching to certain landing point. I did an update last night, at 22:00, and ... voila! I wonder, how my skills improved that fast?

[Suchacz]

VRS tuning was already included in DCS 1.2.4.12179.160 released on 5-15-2013, it was mentioned in changelog http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1758651&postcount=4

 

I didn't noticed any change from that update, and changelogs didn't mentioned any change also.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Suchacz

[Biggus]

I too have seen a large improvement in my own flying ability in the time since the last update. There's been some tweak somewhere in this patch, maybe not directly to the VRS or the FM, but something certainly feels different.

[marker]

I definitely notice the change, although I thnk that is because my muscle memory is starting to come into play.

 

Saying that, I still think the placebo affect is taking place with some people..

[Rogue Trooper]

I think transition is smoother, also I think the helicopter is a bit more responsive a little more like the original release.

[LupinYonder]

Yesterday while trying out a missing that dynamically spawns troops for deployment or pickup from UH-1 I managed several landings in a hostile zone with out crashing or damage! Very pleased. I think part of the trick for landing is to pick your spot early and do a shallow controlled descent to it with minimal collective change, just keep a smooth rate of decent right up until you hit the extra lift from the ground.

[dahui]

Yesterday while trying out a missing that dynamically spawns troops for deployment or pickup from UH-1 I managed several landings in a hostile zone with out crashing or damage! Very pleased. I think part of the trick for landing is to pick your spot early and do a shallow controlled descent to it with minimal collective change, just keep a smooth rate of decent right up until you hit the extra lift from the ground.

 

 

Jep, and you have to look, that you Collective is never completly down during the short final... alsways a bit power on the stick, so the Governor is working, and esp. then, when it should be ;)

[Napa]

I updated to the latest version. I've noticed some stability especially with yaw, generally not a lot though. My skills have definitely improved (coupled with the adjustments I did on my HOTAS for better handling and better precision in flight) but at the end of the day it's still the same when I try to land it. If I show some slack... I'll crash.

 

The only thing that bothers me really is entering translational lift (I think that's how it's called) again when I slow down to hover before touching down. I don't know if that's suppose to happen, I don't get into VRS so easily now because I learned how to compensate with collective power and watching my descent rate not to exceed 500 fpm. Then the aircraft starts to shake violently and things become hairy if you don't compensate. Then the hardest part is to balance it without oscillating in any direction too much before slowly putting it down.

 

I watched so many videos (and movies) with Huey pilots landing with extreme precision and they make it look so damn easy it's unbelievable to me that this module it's anywhere near completion I think. We'll definitely see more improvements with the upcoming patches in stability.

 

Edit: If I'm mistaken, please correct me.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Innerloop

[Mogster]

If real heli's were this dangerous the design would have been shelved in the 1950s.

 

I'm enjoying the challenging FM to a degree but it does limit the way you operate the aircraft. I don't feel I should be fighting for control while trying to accomplish very sedate manoeuvres.

[MFG62 Joker]

I don't feel I should be fighting for control while trying to accomplish very sedate manoeuvres.

 

Maybe you should learn to understand and accept the operational envelope of the crate

and take care that you operate within its limits.

 

Thats not easy, but thats the way its done.

After all this is a simulation and not a JohhnyJoystick´s hop-in-and-do-some-pilot-tricks game.

 

Don´t be offended, that´s just my 2ct.

[Napa]

I think when Mogster said "very sedate maneuvers" meant that he's flying very slowly and very conservative. That's exactly the opposite from a Johny Joystick hop-in-and-do-some-pilot-tricks game that you refer to.

[Phantom88]

It could be we're all getting used to The AFM and anticipating VRS before it's too late.

[MFG62 Joker]

I understood what he meant.

But you can try to fly a very modestly controlled maneuver if flown outside the operational limits there should be a correponding reaction.

 

I just fear that step by step the AFM gets corrected to the arcade side while trying to gratify complaints about complexity.

[Napa]

Belsimtek and ED shouldn't listen to our complaints then and do what they do best. No other way to put it ;)

[DPS]

Just downloaded the update. Vortex ring/settling with power still works fine for me.

[Devrim]

Actually I've never said "VRS is gone" or "FM is reduced" etc. Belsimtek must have done something about what it should be.

 

In my opinion, they should listen to us of course. And thanks them for they do.