Nevigation of Huey

[Robert1983NL]

Really why would you want to use it? And why would you want to use ILS? I've never seen poor weather on an online server.

Only thing ADF's are good for is to listen to music :)

[TimeKilla]

Really ever heard of making a custom mission. :thumbup:

[TX-EcoDragon]

Huey is mostly navigated by IFR rules. Stands for I Follow Roads :D

 

You are fluently comparing map with landmarks you can see. In Czech there is a term "Comparative navigation". Dunno how it is called in En.

 

In English it's called Pilotage.

 

Dead or (more correctly) Ded-Reckoning is the related method which relies on using the compass, clock, and weather forecasts to fly a given heading, for a given time, using a calculated wind correction angle such that you end up near-ish to your desired destination, where you will then most likely need to use Pilotage to actually locate the destination.

 

At very low altitudes, as would often be flown by rotorcraft in a combat setting, Pilotage is a challenge unless you have detailed maps (and detailed scenery) which shows local terrain features, roads, powerlines, train tracks, streams, rivers, and lakes etc.

Edited June 4, 2013 by TX-EcoDragon

[Strut]

In the 60's, 70's, 80's and to a certain extent still in certain military aviation units, especially, troop helicopter transport and fire support units, they basically used "Map to ground" navigation with aids like smoke grenades marking LZ's, using signal mirrors, torches, strobe lights, marking LZ's with burning hexamine tablets etc etc, marker panels, a soldier on the ground talking him in using the radio ie - Fly N/E/S/W you are closing, you are moving away. Also soldiers usually use maps that use the military grid reference system and depending on the scale it was easy or hard as well. Getting the 'knack" to the art of navigation was a prime skill for all pilots, soldiers and their support units. And still is, in my army, things like GPS, and electronic aids are considered aids to navigation , the primary means and skill still is the "Mark 1 Eyeball", Map and compass, Navigation skill and an understanding of the geography of the earth. IE, knowing what a spur line or ridge line looks like on a map and interpreting that to the ground your on or above and visa versa.

 

In those early days, especially working in places in SE Asia where there is a tropical/sub-tropical climate, where the bush and jungles are thick and mostly provides a thick "jungle roof" canopy the accuracy of a units position would sometimes be a little out geographically for obvious reasons, GPS wasnt even heard of and VHF radio hardly worked well at all, so a lot of the methods i described above were used. The pilot going into these area's relied on his knowledge of map reading and navigation whilst he was flying and that was how it was. And most good army aviation units in the world today still take this approach, even though the advances in navigational equipment are great, there will always come a time you will revert to your own knowledge to get you from A to B.

 

This is Fact.

Edited June 5, 2013 by Strut

[Robert1983NL]

Really ever heard of making a custom mission. :thumbup:

Still, the weather model doesn't really provide enough freedom to really justify the need for an ILS approach.

[heloguy]

Actually all front line Army Hueys got at least Tacan by earaly-mid 1980s, many had Doppler, few even had INS (EH-1). GPS is only on the ones still operational - either standalone (US DoS) or coupled with Doppler (New Zealand, Spain).

 

I would be surprised to find out that 'all' U.S. Hueys had tacan. I'll have to ask one of the guys in my unit, as he was in one of the last active units to fly hueys before they were replaced, but I know all 60's don't have tacan, as it's pretty much only installed if it's a theater requirement.

[159th_Viper]

Still, the weather model doesn't really provide enough freedom to really justify the need for an ILS approach.

 

Say what?

 

Surely you're not saying that the weather cannot get bad enough so as to exclude VFR landings?

[Robert1983NL]

Only once have I seen a low cloud deck. Can't remember how low it was. The mission editor doesn't allow a lot of freedom for static weather settings, maybe it's possible to use the dynamic weather to cook up some seriously poor weather.

 

I've noticed many people online flying an ILS with the clouds at FL OMG and 100+ vis.

[159th_Viper]

The mission editor doesn't allow a lot of freedom for static weather settings...

 

You need to watch what you post, on the off-chance that someone actually takes your post seriously and believes it. Rather, quantify your post by stating categorically that as far as the extent of your knowledge on the subject allows, the ME doesn't allow......

 

For what it's worth, it/the ME actually does allow a lot of freedom for static weather settings, certainly more than enough to absolutely exclude any type of/attempt at VFR flight.

 

Read up on the documentation relating to the ME and revisit the topic if necessary.

Edited June 8, 2013 by 159th_Viper

[cichlidfan]

Only once have I seen a low cloud deck. Can't remember how low it was. The mission editor doesn't allow a lot of freedom for static weather settings, maybe it's possible to use the dynamic weather to cook up some seriously poor weather.

 

It is actually quite simple to put the cloud deck at or below ground level at several airfields.

[Robert1983NL]

It is actually quite simple to put the cloud deck at or below ground level at several airfields.

Below ground level? That doesn't make any sense.

 

Is it possible to set the weather per airfield?????

[skouras]

You need to watch what you post, on the off-chance that someone actually takes your post seriously and believes it. Rather, quantify your post by stating categorically that as far as the extent of your knowledge on the subject allows, the ME doesn't allow......

 

For what it's worth, it/the ME actually does allow a lot of freedom for static weather settings, certainly more than enough to absolutely exclude any type of/attempt at VFR flight.

 

Read up on the documentation relating to the ME and revisit the topic if necessary.

what the man said:smilewink:

the editor allows you to make awesome things

just play with it

[Nate--IRL--]

Below ground level? That doesn't make any sense.

 

Is it possible to set the weather per airfield?????

 

Not really, you can set the cloud deck to, say 100m, any airfield above this will be in the the soup so to speak.

 

Set the Cloud density to 9 or 10 in the Mission editor for fully over cast skies - set the deck and layer thickness to suit.

 

Nate

[Robert1983NL]

You need to watch what you post, on the off-chance that someone actually takes your post seriously and believes it. Rather, quantify your post by stating categorically that as far as the extent of your knowledge on the subject allows, the ME doesn't allow......

 

For what it's worth, it/the ME actually does allow a lot of freedom for static weather settings, certainly more than enough to absolutely exclude any type of/attempt at VFR flight.

 

Read up on the documentation relating to the ME and revisit the topic if necessary.

lol...

 

Well, I'm revisiting right now. Just tried the ME. Lowest possible cloud base was 300m! Thickness 2000m.

 

Now, unless there's a way to get that cloud base lower than 300m, you tell me where all that freedom is for static weather settings? A helicopter can EASILY fly VFR with a cloudbase around 300m.

 

Now you could ofcourse bring the visibility back, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[159th_Viper]

lol...

 

Well, I'm revisiting right now. Just tried the ME. Lowest possible cloud base was 300m! Thickness 2000m.

 

Now, unless there's a way to get that cloud base lower than 300m, you tell me where all that freedom is for static weather settings? A helicopter can EASILY fly VFR with a cloudbase around 300m.

 

Now you could ofcourse bring the visibility back, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

Dude your level of ignorance is bordering on the stupendous. I'll say it again: Read the documentation regarding the ME and try again.

 

Alternatively I could always post a mission later. Yeah, I'll probably do that.

[TimeKilla]

Robert1983NL, You must be the only one having issues with this if you want some one on one training we could always meet up on TS as you seem a'bit slow to me I don't mind helping out.

 

 

cloud base was 300m! Thickness 2000m.

[Robert1983NL]

Dude your level of ignorance is bordering on the stupendous. I'll say it again: Read the documentation regarding the ME and try again.

 

Alternatively I could always post a mission later. Yeah, I'll probably do that.

 

Ok, just for you, I'll quote the manual.

 

BASE. Defines the altitude above sea level that will form the bottom of the cloud

layer. This can be set between 300 and 5,000 meters and is indicated in the

right-side field. Use the left and right arrows to change the value or drag the

slider bar in the left field.

HOLY SHIT. I was right, 300 meters is the lowest for the static weather. I am stupendous? lol, check the mirror dude!

 

Seriously, come with some arguments instead of bullshit.

[Robert1983NL]

Robert1983NL, You must be the only one having issues with this if you want some one on one training we could always meet up on TS as you seem a'bit slow to me I don't mind helping out.

 

 

cloud base was 300m! Thickness 2000m.

 

What about that cloudbase and thickness? I already mentioned that, why are you repeating?

[TimeKilla]

Please don't double post mate

[cichlidfan]

...and if the airfield altitude is over 300m above sea level?

 

There are at least 6 airfields at elevations above 1000m

[Robert1983NL]

THEN it would make sense. So the cloudbase is 300m above sea level?

Cloudbases are always based above ground level. So much for the so-called freedom for the static weather in the ME.... There isn't much...

[Robert1983NL]

Please don't double post mate

Please don't go too fast for yourself, you'll crash and burn.

[cichlidfan]

THEN it would make sense. So the cloudbase is 300m above sea level?

 

Did you actually read the quote from the ME manual that you posted?

 

BASE. Defines the altitude above sea level that will form the bottom of the cloud

layer.

[hansangb]

Now, now...everyone play nice. Let's not get into a hissy fit over this.

[J7G]

I can't believe we're arguing over clouds. *Clouds*!