GUA-8 no tracers

[71st_Mastiff]

any one else not have tracers anymore? :joystick:

[Devrim]

Not just for A-10A; I think I don't see bullet traces in A-10C either.

Not %100 sure though...

[PFunk1606688187]

I'm pretty sure the real A-10 never had any tracers outside of training or early in development.

 

Also, the HUD is supposed to have predictive 'O' shaped markers to demonstrate where the rounds should be hitting according to the computers, at least on the C it does. Tracers serve no practical purpose and would only be a hazard to the aircraft which is already dangerously close to enemies as it attempts its safe escape maneuver.

 

This thread seems to confirm this. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=74623

[Flagrum]

Afaik there were never tracers used in combat employments, not in RL nor in our World.

 

Only Target Practicing rounds have tracers - and they are also modelled (for the A-10C at least).

[71st_Mastiff]

well that suxs, because I really cant tell if I'm hitting my targets now. :joystick:

[PFunk1606688187]

I can believe the FC3 A-10 not having the HUD cues, but I'd imagine that in the DCS World engine you should be just as able to see the rounds impact during a gun run, as long as you're firing within the normal range.

[Snoopy]

Real world, the C or A model A-10 don't have tracers.

[Irregular programming]

well that suxs, because I really cant tell if I'm hitting my targets now. :joystick:

 

What about the large smoke effect from hitting the ground?

[pctoptech]

If you can't tell where you rounds are hitting, either you are not firing the GAU-8 or you are missing by a mile. For me, the rounds hitting just the dirt make a pretty good splash, and the rounds that hit a target generally cause secondary fires or explosions.

[PFunk1606688187]

I don't know how you're gonna miss by a mile when you should be firing from 0.7 miles slant range. :P

[71st_Mastiff]

There is no flashing from rounds on target, and when i shoot at the hinds

There is no flashing on target. So where is the gun effects like there used to be?

I cant even tell if im hitting any thing unless i get real close.

[MBot]

Real world, the C or A model A-10 don't have tracers.

 

Do you know if the gun was also shot without tracers prior to the LASTE uprade?

[Witchking]

Do you know if the gun was also shot without tracers prior to the LASTE uprade?

 

fromeverything i have seen....tracers...only training rounds....no tracers except muzzle smoke and impact smoke/dust.

[PFunk1606688187]

I read something about tracers possibly being used very early in the A-10 testing because at the time they were testing the GAU-8 as well. This would count as before LASTE, but what I recall reading almost certainly would have been before front line deployment and definitely not in combat.

 

@Mastiff - Are you hitting the target and seeing no round effects, or are you missing and unable to tell by how much? Certainly when the GAU hits something you should see an effect. If you're missing an air target then you're not going to see much because you missed and you don't get to see the rounds impact the ground because its not there.

 

How far are you typically shooting from?

[nhenley85]

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Edited August 27, 2013 by nhenley85

[Snoopy]

Hate to call your dad out but no we do not just fly around the US with CM, when flying within the US 99% of the time our jets are loaded with TP or have ballests installed to offset the weight.

 

I've worked A-10s for going on 8 years and have never seen a gun melt, even when going through 500 rounds. The rounds limiter isn't how many rounds you can shoot per trigger pull but the total for that sortie.

 

Other than that most of your info below is correct.

 

They don't use tracers in real life. Both the A-10A and C do not use them at all ever. I was an Army Sniper for 5 yrs before being wounded, and I called in a few gun-runs, never had tracers. Also, my dad was a weapons guys on A-10As in the good ole USAF for 20 yrs. He said they never used tracers, even in training. also he said that when the A-10s are just flying around in the states the gun is usually loaded with CM. The extra weight in the nose is needed or they can't fly, too heavy in the tail. They have big weighted plates they can put in to fly them, but its just easier and faster to load the gun with 1150 rounds of CM. it's also somewhat rare that they load all HE rounds. It's been known to happen but the normal configuration for flight is 1150 of CM. in the states they usually leave the gun pinned for normal flight, unless there's a possibility of actually firing the gun. Also the A-10As have a round limiter that is usually set inside the gun bay by the ground crew before takeoff to 50 rounds per trigger squeeze. Firing several hundred rounds in a single burst usually melts the barrels, but up to 100 rounds at a time is acceptable in combat. They never use external fuel tanks either. Only when making the hop across the pond do they use those, and when they make the trip overseas, the usual load is 2 AIM-9s on a DRA and an ECM pod on stations 1 and 11, and 2 external tanks on stations 4 and 8. The travel pod usually goes on station 3 or 9. Hope this helps guys! I'm a realism nut and sometimes I go a little too far lol. I'm going to fly the A-10C simulator at Barksdale AFB in 2 weeks. I can't wait. I flew the B-52H sim last Wednesday and it was very educational for a private pilot like myself. I did great but its hard to get used to waiting for the airplane to respond after flying so many small aircraft lol. The A-10C sim will be SO much more fun :thumbup:

[71st_Mastiff]

I know there's no tracers on them, but given the fact that there is no hit effects modeled, I need them! There is no shower of sparks on target no hit effects on air or ground targets which would be a plethora of sparks and flashing off the target from the uranium depleted rounds hitting the target.. :joystick:

[Snoopy]

I would think you'd know you're hitting your target because it's destroyed after your attack run ;)

[nhenley85]

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Edited August 27, 2013 by nhenley85

[Snoopy]

I always laugh when people argue in a forum. I am an A-10 guy as well. I'm standing here with one of the A-10s I work on daily and with one of the crew chiefs and one of the many hawg pilots I hang out with as I'm typing this reply. He's been a close flying buddy of mine in civil aviation for years. Everything I posted previously was correct accept for one little thing. I have been eating, breathing, and sleeping A-10s literally all my life, and I don't normally post things that are inaccurate in forums. However, I will correct myself and say that the melting of the gun was not quite accurate, and it will only completely melt the barrels when set to fire out (empty). But, after a 500 round burst, the gun would have to be pulled and the barrels replaced. But 50 is the norm and usually not more than 100 rounds. Everything else, I'm told, is correct. And I'm standing here looking at the rounds limiter on the A-10A. It IS set before takeoff by the ground crew before takeoff to limit the number of rounds per burst when the trigger is compressed. This can be set using the IFFCC HUD Menu in the A-10C. If you like, I can post a picture of the rounds limiter for you to see for yourself so you will know I am not BS-ing you. I can't draw an arrow at the time on my iPad but I will in a little while when I get back to the house. Also, they DO fly with CM around the states daily. But, it depends on your base and units level of readiness. As I stated... Our guys do it daily. A-10s are the only fighter-type aircraft we have at our base. Thanks and take care.

 

:doh: Still not completely accurate but I'll leave it alone. I am curious what menu the "burst limit" is under.

 

Back on topic, no tracer rounds, CM is not the norm stateside or even in combat situations currently. As a matter of fact Afghanistan we don't fly CM at all, it's all HEI.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Snoopy

[NineLine]

I was an Army Sniper for 5 yrs before being wounded, and I called in a few gun-runs, never had tracers. Also, my dad was a weapons guys on A-10As in the good ole USAF for 20 yrs.

 

I am an A-10 guy as well. I'm standing here with one of the A-10s I work on daily and with one of the crew chiefs and one of the many hawg pilots I hang out with as I'm typing this reply

 

 

:pilotfly:

[nhenley85]

lol

Edited August 27, 2013 by nhenley85

[Snoopy]

I'm not sure but when i find out I'll post it. I just found it funny that you wanted to argue while I was standing there with my hand on it and the pilot and crew chief backing me up. Oh, well. I guess its the old Army side of me being a fighter, lol.

 

I'm not arguing, I'm stating facts based on 8 years working A-10s (A and C Models).

 

For your information I'm a A-10 7 level Crew Chief and the Flightline expediter.

 

:gun_sniper:Hmm....what happened to your original posts about being an ex sniper and your dad worked A-10s?!

Edited August 27, 2013 by Snoopy

[NineLine]

:gun_sniper:Hmm....what happened to your original posts about being an ex sniper and your dad worked A-10s?!

 

Obama called him, told him to be hush hush, they might need him in Syria...

[NineLine]

I could have sworn I saw hit effects they other day, have to look at it tonight.

 

I know there's no tracers on them, but given the fact that there is no hit effects modeled, I need them! There is no shower of sparks on target no hit effects on air or ground targets which would be a plethora of sparks and flashing off the target from the uranium depleted rounds hitting the target.. :joystick: