Canon Damage

[alexbap]

Almost everytime I do a low pass for cannon fire against something that have any kind of gun over it, I get my cannon damage. And I'm not talking about shilkas or AAA.

I don't know how good are these guys shooting or how strong is my canon protection but I now that on a face to face shooting is impossible to my plane to be damage on side and below panels and almost everytime, canon panels.

 

 

 

Always thought that this plane has a very strong front protection but it doesn't seems so.

I do understand that from times to times this cannon damage could occur but in DCS seems pretty often to me.

[Mike Busutil]

Sounds like you may be getting a little too close...

[SmokeyTheLung]

Sounds like you may be getting a little too close...

 

It also sounds like you are staying lined up with your targets for too long.

If you're putting the gun pipper on a target at 3nm miles and firing at 1nm, that leaves an awfuly large window for the vehicle to shoot back.

 

Try setting up your runs so that you turn on to your target and only have a second or two to line up the gun and fire (the technical term for this is "tracking time" iirc). This has greatly reduced the risk of getting shot up for me!

[HugePanic]

since the most part of the A-10 is a gun... so that´s very probable that the gun gets damaged...

[Lusik]

As above, you are too low probably. I've never had may cannon damaged yet

[lxsapper]

His question is not about the right tactics. But to question if the gun is too vulnerable as it's presently modeled. I belive it is, as it gets damaged (inoperative) when beeing hit from the front 80-90% of the time. It's like the SU-25 or 25T execive proness to lose the wntire nose on the slightest hit. It's like no other damage is possible. Hit from the front, there goes the nose. Or the gun in the case of the A-10.

[alexbap]

As Lxsapper said, I'm not talking about tactics. I'm talking about the fact that almost every damage that I get on face to face shooting results in canon damage.

This is a front view of an A-10 and in red is the canon. The ramaining of it is behind me, my titanium protection and avionics and I really can't undersand why canon is always the guy to die. As you can see its just a very small area of all plane but it seems a magnet to killer bullets

When doing canon passes I'm flying the same high that I see on most of movies (real and ingame) and inside canon specs and tutorials.

 

 

Remember that I'm just talking about face to face shooting.

[Mike Busutil]

Sooooo, you're saying if a AAA gun fires and hits you directly in the nose of the Warthog, you should not see any damage because the avionics are behind the tip of the gun?

 

Bullet's do go through stuff right?

[seikdel]

No, he's saying that the GAU-8 represents a relatively small portion of the front of the aircraft, yet seemingly gets damaged almost every time he takes AAA to the front of his aircraft. Additionally, it sounds as though other systems that are up front (e.g. avionics) do not take damage at nearly the rate of the GAU-8.

 

Same issue for me, BTW. The gun always seems to be the first thing to go when I take fire.

[doright]

I think you're forgetting the part of the cannon protruding from the nose is just a small part of the GAU-8 system. There are vulnerable hydraulic drive, electrically connections, shell feed and retrieve systems, and finally the huge drum, all setting on the bottom of the airplane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GAU-8_in_A-10.jpg

 

Of course all that metal can also be thought of as pilot armor too.

Edited September 18, 2013 by doright

[Mike Busutil]

I think you're forgetting the part of the cannon protruding from the nose is just a small part of the GAU-8 system. There are vulnerable hydraulic drive, electrically connections, shell feed and retrieve systems, and finally the huge drum, all setting on the bottom of the airplane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GAU-8_in_A-10.jpg

 

 

My thought's exactly...

[alexbap]

Originally Posted by doright

I think you're forgetting the part of the cannon protruding from the nose is just a small part of the GAU-8 system. There are vulnerable hydraulic drive, electrically connections, shell feed and retrieve systems, and finally the huge drum, all setting on the bottom of the airplane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GAU-8_in_A-10.jpg

 

No, I don't.

This doesn't change the fact that all of this are a little fraction of area in front of the plane and all of this cannon elements are behind avionics and pilot titanium bath and both of them are almost never damaged on this situation. Neither wings, motors, fuel tanks, etc.

I'm not saying that cannon is 100% protected on a face to face attack. I'm just asking about how often it hapens.

[doright]

No, I don't.

This doesn't change the fact that all of this are a little fraction of area in front of the plane and all of this cannon elements are behind avionics and pilot titanium bath and both of them are almost never damaged on this situation. Neither wings, motors, fuel tanks, etc.

I'm not saying that cannon is 100% protected on a face to face attack. I'm just asking about how often it hapens.

 

Wow, did you even look at the picture. No avionics, no titanium bathtub. Just skin, stiffeners, and GAU-8 all exposed to ground fire from below. Remember that you are not pointing your nose/cannon straight at the target, you have to hold the nose above the target to correct for the drop of the shell. From the target's perspective you are exposing more of your underside. And after the firing run you pull off target, thereby exposing to ground fire most of the underside and therefore the cannon system.

[kk0425]

Guns, no matter how large are surprisingly fragile. One small piece get's damaged and the whole system is out of operation.

[Hamblue]

The Gun is not as small as you think

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.456fis.org/MIS-4/GAU-8_meets_VW_Type_1%5B1%5D.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.456fis.org/GAU-8_AVENGER.htm&h=1150&w=1800&sz=206&tbnid=tcHXMomMlix8UM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=174&zoom=1&usg=__YCMAvBfJ0IwOPbGeNrDanY-6ppE=&docid=nBixf3t-1z-AJM&sa=X&ei=1kQ6UrfhG47c4AOejYHQAg&ved=0CEkQ9QEwBA

[lxsapper]

About the gun drum it's actually very well armored as a single hit from an explosive round that penetrates it has the potential to turn the A-10 into a big ball of fire.

 

...GAU-8 all exposed to ground fire from below. Remember that you are not pointing your nose/cannon straight at the target, you have to hold the nose above the target to correct for the drop of the shell. From the target's perspective you are exposing more of your underside. And after the firing run you pull off target, thereby exposing to ground fire most of the underside and therefore the cannon system.

 

You are correct about the angle part and you can factor in the fact that because of the aircrafts forward motion projectiles that do hit it will have been aimed with lead and thus hitting the underside at a greater angle even that if the plane was stationary in the sky. I still think that the cannon gets damaged too often when compared with other systems in the area that could also be hit.

[mr_mojo97]

I think doright is right you know. The avenger is almost 20ft long including all it bits and pieces so naturally if you're flying towards aaa that is tracking you and firing and get hit in the nose then it's prob gonna get damaged.

Although slightly off topic I tend to loose my tgp more easily than anything else, and when in external view there's never any bullet holes in it!