Advanced Engine Model (AEM)?

[Silver_Dragon]

Hi

 

In the Belsimtek communicate of new F-15C Advanced Flight Model describe with the AFM, Belsimtek (and supposes ED) talk over a new Advanced Engine Model to improve them.

 

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/217/

Dynamics modeling experts at BelSimTek are completing work on advanced flight and engine models of the F-15C Eagle for the upcoming module for DCS World.

 

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Additionally, a new engine model is also created on par with the flight model to provide more realistic and accurate performance, for example featuring effects like negative G loading.

 

That info can be talk to a develop / 3rd party can modelling a new engine, based on a pre-definite model give to ED with base on the develop process to build them, similar to a AFM?, Can ED give some info to detail that process? what improvement can be show with respect to the old system?

 

Best Rewards.

 

PD: Sorry my bad english.

[GGTharos]

That sounds like it's similar to the A-10C/Ka-50 engine models.

[SkateZilla]

Engine Model is part of the flight model.

[Silver_Dragon]

Skatezilla, you are correct, but a think a Advanced Engine Model can add to ED / 3rd parties some features no contemplated on actual module, in that case:

 

- compressor stall situations.

- Realistic Flame-out.

- Realistic Windmill restart.

- Icing conditions.

- Fire.

- Bird ingestion / FOD.

- Several Engine Damage.

- Fuel System Problems.

- Oil System Problems.

- No Thrust Lever Response

- Reverse Malfuntions

- No Starter Cutoff

- Vibration

- Wrap-up

 

And other problems / situations.

 

Edit: actual models have "abstracted" models to simulate them (I think), a AEM can improve them to a great detail level.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

[GGTharos]

Actually that's all modeled. I don't see what other detail you could add.

[sobek]

How about total protonic reversal? ;):)

[Rangi]

Would love to see the flux capacitor properly modeled....

[SilentEagle]

3rd parties currently develop their own engine model inside the flight model code, since the ultimate output is the thrust force to send back to the sim. Just like there is no preset for external flight models, I don't expect there to be a preset for an engine model. The only exception to this that I can think of is the suspension system, which 3rd parties don't seem to have much control over for some reason.

 

ED does have its own internal methods for modelling the engine, but it seems that each engine has been unique so far.

[KLR Rico]

One of the things I'd like to see... You pretty much never get a plane with two engines that have the same hours. Even when engines are in similar condition, you still get variations in oil pressure, fuel flow, egt, throttle response, etc. I think a slight variation in these things between engines would add a bit of realism to the sim. Especially if they're randomized between flights.

[predator-nz]

Good call Rico would love to see that

[8core]

currently the F-15C is just a game.

I wish the F-15C become a real simulator with real data ,some corrections are necessary : fuel flow, speed, rpm , maneuverability

[GGTharos]

So is DCS: Anything.

What you're buying is a game. It doesn't matter how much you want to call it 'a simulator, not a game' ... it's a game with game features.

 

The FC3 F-15C is a simulator.

 

currently the F-15C is just a game.

[8core]

So is DCS: Anything.

What you're buying is a game. It doesn't matter how much you want to call it 'a simulator, not a game' ... it's a game with game features.

 

The FC3 F-15C is a simulator.

 

but the data of the FM incorrect, what he's simulating?

I think it is a game that simulates being a simulator :D

[GGTharos]

Why is it incorrect? The new FM will expand edge of the envelope handling but thrust, climb rates, acceleration and sustained turns will be the same.

 

Different FMs, different limitations, but not incorrect.

 

but the data of the FM incorrect, what he's simulating?

I think it is a game that simulates being a simulator :D

[SkateZilla]

but the data of the FM incorrect, what he's simulating?

I think it is a game that simulates being a simulator :D

 

currently the F-15C is just a game.

I wish the F-15C become a real simulator with real data ,some corrections are necessary : fuel flow, speed, rpm , maneuverability

 

Ace Combat is a Game,

DCS/FC3 are Simulators.

[Grimes]

I can't believe I just spent an hour making this, but it had to be done.

 

 

Bravo! I love it. :megalol: Time well spent.

[cichlidfan]

I can't believe I just spent an hour making this, but it had to be done.

 

 

Agree with Grimes. Plus, it's funny as hell!! Rep inbound. :thumbup:

 

:megalol::megalol:

 

EDIT: A cookie for anyone who can create the audio!!!

Edited December 15, 2013 by cichlidfan

[Raven68]

I can't believe I just spent an hour making this, but it had to be done.

 

Love it!!

[Haukka81]

Ace Combat is a Game,

DCS/FC3 are Simulators.

 

 

Nope, they are games. Even how hard you wanna belive that you don't play game in your home pit ;)

 

DCS IS GAME. :smartass:

[msalama]

DCS IS GAME.

 

Both a sim and a game at the same time.

[SUBS17]

Nope, they are games. Even how hard you wanna belive that you don't play game in your home pit ;)

 

DCS IS GAME. :smartass:

 

 

Only if you are playing it in arcade mode.:pilotfly:

[Rangi]

I don't really care what its called (you call it), I love it, its great fun and a worthy brain taxing, learning experience, a great gameulator/simame.

Ps. love the gif, very funny and brings back many early childhood Sat. morning memories.

Pps. Yes im very drunk and typing is hard but thought it was worth this off topic say to say who cares if its sim or game, it is what it is and its awsome,.

[Haukka81]

Only if you are playing it in arcade mode.:pilotfly:

 

 

I play in realistic mode :P:P

 

Its simulator game ;) :joystick:

[Silver_Dragon]

post hijacked.....move them to chit-chat or close, please.

[=Thrust=]

Stop crying, think about that "old argument" :P = when some years before, a "simulator"

 

takes just one floppy.:pilotfly:

 

Just saying this big gift is improved each day by a so great team.

Edited December 15, 2013 by =THRUST=