MA_Goblin Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Watch this long video made from a developers viewpoint and the difference Mantle will bring over DX. The number of objects in the demo halfway in is astounding and the data presented at about 40 minutes in are great. Edited December 23, 2013 by SkateZilla Edited Profanity out of subject line, SkateZilla [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] _____________Semper paratus, In hoc signo vinces________________ PC: Intel i7-8700K (4.9 GHz), Aorus Ultra Gaming Z370 MB, Gigabyte RTX 3080, 32 GB DDR3 (3,2 GHz), Samsung EVO 860 M.2 500 GB SSD + Samsung 960 M.2 250 GB SSD Gaming: Virpil T-50 CM2, TM WH Throttle, Crosswind pedals, HP Reverb
mmaruda Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 If what they are saying is true, this could be game changer for DCS. The problem is, will ED consider implementing Mantle when it come out and how long will it take, considering how time consuming EDGE is.
danilop Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 ED has been working on DX11 for a looong time (and we're still waiting) ... now Mantle, that's like decade away ... :D
Ich666 Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 At about 20 minutes he says that it took them 2 man/months to implement it. That goes for a modern engine though.
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted December 22, 2013 ED Team Posted December 22, 2013 I must admit I am excited by mantle and its performance Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
danilop Posted December 22, 2013 Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Mantle is great and possible game changer, however the last thing we need is new API war. Basically, all three (AMD, Nvidia Microsoft) should work together on new Windows API which obviously is not going to happen ... Although Mantle is open API and it should work on Nvidia, it's obvious that AMD will have huge advantage. That's the reason why Nvidia will probably never support it fully - they'll focus on Steam OS and we could get competing new API from Nvidia very soon if Mantle change the game ... Edited December 22, 2013 by danilop
mhe Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) The performance is impressive though. But given the current situation I don't see it happening with DCS anytime soon. And I also want to see what nVidia has up its sleeve for the upcoming Maxwell chipset in spring. Then we'll see where this leads... Edited December 23, 2013 by mhe | i9 12900K | 64GB DDR5-6000 | STRIX RTX 4090 OC | LG 38GN950 38" | | Hanns-G HT225HPB | TIR 5 & Varjo Aero | Virpil Throttle & Stick | TM TPRs | You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing.
Kaktus29 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 we will see how much of this is real as in "it will happen in 6-12 months" from now.. or more of a "nano-technology batteries that last 10 years without recharge" hype.. i'll believe and be happy about it when this is in the stores and games exist that implement it.. until then we can pretty much disregard it to start trek )) lol..
SkateZilla Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Betcha $50 nVidia will bring back Glide now, lol Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
tintifaxl Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Glide? Fond memories. Windows 10 64bit, Intel i9-9900@5Ghz, 32 Gig RAM, MSI RTX 3080 TI, 2 TB SSD, 43" 2160p@1440p monitor.
blkspade Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Mantle is great and possible game changer, however the last thing we need is new API war. Basically, all three (AMD, Nvidia Microsoft) should work together on new Windows API which obviously is not going to happen ... Although Mantle is open API and it should work on Nvidia, it's obvious that AMD will have huge advantage. That's the reason why Nvidia will probably never support it fully - they'll focus on Steam OS and we could get competing new API from Nvidia very soon if Mantle change the game ... If mantle can do whats promised, it puts AMD in position to really crush Nvidia. The reason being is console gaming. The current gen of consoles are AMD hardware. If mantle improves on the capability of the PS4 and XB1, console games dev would be stupid not to use it. When those games are multi-platform including PC, they'd have to be going out of their to not continue using Mantle. This potentially creates a catch 22 for Microsoft because supporting Mantle on the Xbox puts DirectX in a bad place. The bulk of PC games end up being exclusive to Windows because Direct-X is proprietary, and often the 1st and only choice of API. The idea of mantle being open could be more of it being OS neutral than GPU vendor neutral. PC games with predictable results on Windows, Mac and Linux. Nvidia last stand here would be binding it's TWIMTBP group to not support mantle. PC exclusive developers would be the outliers not readily jumping onto Mantle. Those are few and far between, but most likely to benefit the most. Simulation and strategy games are often the most CPU limited, so shifting more work to the GPU with reduced overhead makes so much sense. It already seems that part of ED's goal with edge is basically to do that anyway, but with DX11. From the video, it sounds like a task more suited towards Mantle, but DX11 should still prove to be vast improvement for what we need compared to DX9. http://104thphoenix.com/
159th_Falcon Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 we will see how much of this is real as in "it will happen in 6-12 months" from now.. or more of a "nano-technology batteries that last 10 years without recharge" hype.. i'll believe and be happy about it when this is in the stores and games exist that implement it.. until then we can pretty much disregard it to start trek )) lol.. Don't remember the date, but battlefield 4 will be the first game to support MANTLE. So definitely not a hype, think we can use it ourselves in like 2 months, maybe sooner. If you have BF4 and an compatible AMD card ofcourse. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:)
SkateZilla Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 Don't remember the date, but battlefield 4 will be the first game to support MANTLE. So definitely not a hype, think we can use it ourselves in like 2 months, maybe sooner. If you have BF4 and an compatible AMD card ofcourse. BF4 has more important things to worry about than finishing Mantle integration. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Dr. Yes Posted December 25, 2013 Posted December 25, 2013 BF4 has more important things to worry about than finishing Mantle integration. Like their investors suing them. :cry:
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