Where is the DCS: Mig-21bis Board?

[xxJohnxx]

good to know that, thanks cobra.

btw, can we be lucky enough to see the announcement this week? And will the new video be released at the same time?

 

They said they are just waiting for the forum to go online, which is the cause why the annoucment is delayed. So I would assume, yes, we probably will see the announcment this week.

Tha's just guestimation though!

[uboats]

They said they are just waiting for the forum to go online, which is the cause why the annoucment is delayed. So I would assume, yes, we probably will see the announcment this week.

Tha's just guestimation though!

 

Because there must be some tech issue for the mig21 forum, since they need to pack all prev posts as legacy and they should create a new one for future post. I don't know how long would it be done for that. Previously, I thought they just needed to re-open the forum. Now, I know it is not that simple.

But it's still a good news since we know where they are!

[Cmelakobecny]

Because there must be some tech issue for the mig21 forum, since they need to pack all prev posts as legacy and they should create a new one for future post. I don't know how long would it be done for that. Previously, I thought they just needed to re-open the forum. Now, I know it is not that simple.

But it's still a good news since we know where they are!

 

5 minutes

[Cmelakobecny]

According to an unnamed source from the team Mig21 waiting for the arrival of patch 1.2.8. At the same time it comes out i Mig21 together with (finally) official statement. It's a matter of days.

[uboats]

According to an unnamed source from the team Mig21 waiting for the arrival of patch 1.2.8. At the same time it comes out i Mig21 together with (finally) official statement. It's a matter of days.

 

Wow wonderful! Same as Hawk!

[zaelu]

wonderful rumors :D

[Flаnker]

Interesting ... beczl now not "3rd Party Developers". He left the team?

[NoJoe]

Interesting ... beczl now not "3rd Party Developers". He left the team?

 

It may or may not mean anything. Speculation sure is rampant around here.

 

From the IRIS thread recently, by Skatezilla:

On That note, every forum member title change or forums / threads being moved around doesn't always mean what everyone assumes it means.

[xxJohnxx]

http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=323

[VincentLaw]

http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=323

There is a part of me that wants to make the first post in the new forum section.

 

The rest of me knows it would be chit-chat quality, so instead I am posting here.

[Kuky]

There is a part of me that wants to make the first post in the new forum section.

 

The rest of me knows it would be chit-chat quality, so instead I am posting here.

 

Good choice, you are lot smarter than that other guy :thumbup:

[VincentLaw]

Good choice, you are lot smarter than that other guy :thumbup:

Okay, now I regret my decision. My post would have been way better than that.

[Flagrum]

I just read the announcement of Leatherneck Simulations regarding the future of the Mig-21.

 

I am not entirely, hrm, satisfied with what I read there. Yes, difficult times, difficult decisions, difficult live. I get that. All of it. And although I would like to know a tad bit more detailed of what was going on, I understand that this is kept private - to protect the innocent - and to protect the guilty.

 

But what I really have some trouble with is that thing about the Indiegogo money. Granted, I really appreciate LS's promise to cover all backer's rewards. So, morally, LS steps into for SB's promises. But I am unsure if this is - or should be - just an ethical, voluntary obligation. If, formally, SB and LS are separate business entities, this might be all good and fine. But are they? I now just assume, the indiegogo money went into the development of the product. And this product was now transferred from SB to LS - as was the "majority" of the original team.

 

Ianal and international business is even more complex, but here in germany there is a construct called "Betriebsübernahme". I can't really 1:1 translate this, but it means that if you take over or aquire another company, you also take over all it's obligations - if you take over the majority of it. If you just buy a part of it and that part can't be seen as the same business anymore than it was originally, embedded into the structure of the seller, you just buy that part and nothing else.

 

Why am I stressing this topic? Because I forsee a really bad impact on possible future crowd funded projects ... or the lack of them. Yes, the backer's money is not lost as the product still will be delivered. But what about the trust in such campaigns that this will always be the case ... I mean, if a simple name change strips off all responsibilities ...?

[NeilWillis]

The bottom line is the new organisation have undertaken to uphold all the obligations incumbent upon them regarding the crowd funding, but due to the circumstances and lack of cash, there will be a delay in both the release of the product, and the promised supporting merchandise.

 

Where in that statement is anyone losing out on the agreement of the original crowd funding?

 

I'd suggest, that under the difficult circumstances, a lot of people have bent over backwards to rescue the project, AND make sure their promises are honoured.

 

Where is the issue here guys? Apart from a delay, which judging by a lot of project that have been associated with DCS, and the hugely ambitious standards they all maintain, is not exactly new, or surprising.

 

I suggest that this is the best outcome, when we all foresaw a total cancellation as a distinct possibility.

 

Might I suggest that we delete this entire thread, and get back on track, keeping our impatience at bay, and look forward to a very welcome addition to the DCS stable, and give the guys at letherneck a bit of breathing space. Just be thankful that the whole thing didn't disappear into the ether without any announcements, or crowd funding compensation.

 

It would seem that someone has had to pay a high price for the split, and so be it, as long as the project remains on course, and we can look to the future with letherneck remaining a key component of the DCS marque, producing quality, detailed simulations for us to enjoy.

 

I wish the new organisation the best, and I for one give them my support.

[eFirehawk]

@ Flagrum: I agree. As we know though, funding projects like these are always a risk, as many of the people who make those campaigns are not huge companies with much to lose as far as I know, most, such as Beczl don't even have an extensive background in business, so the chances of something like this happening are not as small as we would want. :)

 

...and by the way, what's with that new studio name!? OMG :helpsmilie:

 

Looking forward to flying the MiG! :pilotfly:

[upupandaway]

I just read the announcement of Leatherneck Simulations regarding the future of the Mig-21.

 

I am not entirely, hrm, satisfied with what I read there. Yes, difficult times, difficult decisions, difficult live. I get that. All of it. And although I would like to know a tad bit more detailed of what was going on, I understand that this is kept private - to protect the innocent - and to protect the guilty.

 

But what I really have some trouble with is that thing about the Indiegogo money. Granted, I really appreciate LS's promise to cover all backer's rewards. So, morally, LS steps into for SB's promises. But I am unsure if this is - or should be - just an ethical, voluntary obligation. If, formally, SB and LS are separate business entities, this might be all good and fine. But are they? I now just assume, the indiegogo money went into the development of the product. And this product was now transferred from SB to LS - as was the "majority" of the original team.

 

Ianal and international business is even more complex, but here in germany there is a construct called "Betriebsübernahme" I can't really 1:1 translate this, but it means that if you take over or aquire another company, you also take over all it's obligations - if you take over the majority of it. If you just buy a part of it and that part can't be seen as the same business anymore than it was originally, embedded into the structure of the seller, you just buy that part and nothing else.

 

Why am I stressing this topic? Because I forsee a really bad impact on possible future crowd funded projects ... or the lack of them. Yes, the backer's money is not lost as the product still will be delivered. But what about the trust in such campaigns that this will always be the case ... I mean, if a simple name change strips off all responsibilities ...?

 

Didn´t they, by honoring the backers claims to the final product, do exactly what you specified for the "Betriebsübernahme"? No matter what the legal "Spitzfindigkeiten" were in the transition from SB to LS, they did everything they could to prevent what you described in your last paragraph. I hope I´m not misunderstanding you, but they will of course know how much they depend on the support and trust of all the fans on this forum. At least from what I´ve read today, I dont´think any blame can be assigned to LS. But you are right, some might think twice about giving away their money now...

[Flagrum]

Didn´t they, by honoring the backers claims to the final product, do exactly what you specified for the "Betriebsübernahme"? No matter what the legal "Spitzfindigkeiten" were in the transition from SB to LS, they did everything they could to prevent what you described in your last paragraph.

Good point. What initially bothered me was LS' emphasis on "voluntarily". If that does or does not make a difference (formally/legally), I don't know and I don't want to speculate about it. We had more than enough of speculation about all this already. :o)

 

Just let's hope for the best.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Flagrum

[Cobra847]

It needs to be noted for complete clarity:

 

We are a completely separate entity from Studio Beczl, and hold no legal obligations to anything.

While that may sound strange, we were all just "contractors" to that entity, employees if you will.

 

There have been no "mergers" or anything like that. None of us held any stake in Studio Beczl.

 

We retained copyright for all of our intellectual property, hence why the MiG-21 itself won't change.

[danvac]

This discussion should not continue.

[Kuky]

I think too we should finally put this to rest.

[NineLine]

I think this thread can be done now, I am locking it now as a new forum section is now open for the Mig 21