CypherGrunyev Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I need to stop posting... So I'm looking into getting a new setup for... Well Everything! Already ordered TrackIR 5, hooked up another monitor for a nice 2 screen display... But now I need to replace my Aging, Broken, Useless Cyborg X Joystick. I was looking at joysticks from everywhere. But one that caught my eye was the CH Fighterstick... And the CH Throttle/Rudders... Anyone have experience with these? I want to get THEM because they're realistic looking but still cheaper than the Thrust-master HOTAS Warthog... Which my bank account screams at me to avoid. If you do have experience. Does the Joystick itself have Rudder input, or will I be FORCED to buy the pedals? [Yes rudder is that important to me...] Edited January 29, 2014 by CypherGrunyev Man I could really use a navigator right about now. i7-3770K @ Stock MSI GD-65 Z77 Mobo G.Skill Ripjaws Z [16GB] @ 2133 Mhz AMD Radeon HD 7950 [sapphire Tech] @ 1150/1600 Mhz OCZ Vector 256GB [C:/] Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB @ 5900RPM [D:/] Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB @ 7200 [E:/] Western Digital Blue 1TB @ 7200 [H:/] Corsair AX850 PSU Corsair 650D Case [so Sexy <3]
hannibal Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 if you are asking about if the ch fighterstick has a twist grip, the answer is NO, you need rudder pedals.. find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 well, having used CH products for some while.... ok, the thing is, CH is good in regards of reliability, and the programming software...its a mighty tool. also there is the CH-hangar, where you can get lots of help pretty quickly... i quite liked my devices, had fighterstick, pro pedals and the pro throttle... but, and there is a big BUT: all my devices spiked...i had two fightersticks in a row plus the pro throttle and the pro pedals...every single device spiked..the raw data as well as the calibrated values jumped up and down for a view "notches" even when not even touching the devices.. i have to say, in IL2 Clod, that wasnt that much of a problem for me. as i then switched to DCS and the A10c, i noticed the disadvantage resulting from those spikes...for example i wasnt able to make AAR without setting a curvature setting to my stick. also there was an urgent need to set a curvature setting to my pedals for the P51....thats no a big issue as DCS has fortunately those adjusting tools, as well as CH Software Manager itself... but still, those spikes seem typical for CH.and from what i heard from other users, im by far not the only one.reading many posts it seems, that older devices didnt have this problem, but only the newer ones... well, and then i switched to the TM Warthog, and bought MFG Simundza Crosswind pedals....never ever again would i buy any ch product.what a difference! but still, they are ok, if you can live with those spikes. only my opinion
hannibal Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) ch fighter stick is an EXCELLENT PRODUCT.. i have two of them :) they do me well in dcs huey uh-h Edited January 29, 2014 by hannibal find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179
CypherGrunyev Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 David, those spikes you talked about... Are those RANDOM? My current joystick will randomly put input onto the right rudder. Or are the spikes like, a LITTLE left input gives you a LOT for a second or Just wanna nail my bases down here lol Man I could really use a navigator right about now. i7-3770K @ Stock MSI GD-65 Z77 Mobo G.Skill Ripjaws Z [16GB] @ 2133 Mhz AMD Radeon HD 7950 [sapphire Tech] @ 1150/1600 Mhz OCZ Vector 256GB [C:/] Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB @ 5900RPM [D:/] Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB @ 7200 [E:/] Western Digital Blue 1TB @ 7200 [H:/] Corsair AX850 PSU Corsair 650D Case [so Sexy <3]
Dauntless Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I've had mine for 10 years or more and they still do what I need them to do!! :thumbup:
Ranger79 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 CH products are awesome, and they have excellent support! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Ranger79 OEF/OIF Veteran YouTube Channel Twitch Channel Mods, Missions, & Tutorials: Operation Piercing Fury Campaign Ranger79's Object Pack ISIS CrisIS Campaign Mission Editing Video Series
CypherGrunyev Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for the advice I'll definitely solidify my decision and buy CH when I can scrap up enough. They cut my hours like hell at work so it might take some time. Man I could really use a navigator right about now. i7-3770K @ Stock MSI GD-65 Z77 Mobo G.Skill Ripjaws Z [16GB] @ 2133 Mhz AMD Radeon HD 7950 [sapphire Tech] @ 1150/1600 Mhz OCZ Vector 256GB [C:/] Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB @ 5900RPM [D:/] Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB @ 7200 [E:/] Western Digital Blue 1TB @ 7200 [H:/] Corsair AX850 PSU Corsair 650D Case [so Sexy <3]
splash Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I need to stop posting... So I'm looking into getting a new setup for... Well Everything! Already ordered TrackIR 5, hooked up another monitor for a nice 2 screen display... But now I need to replace my Aging, Broken, Useless Cyborg X Joystick. I was looking at joysticks from everywhere. But one that caught my eye was the CH Fighterstick... And the CH Throttle/Rudders... Anyone have experience with these? I want to get THEM because they're realistic looking but still cheaper than the Thrust-master HOTAS Warthog... Which my bank account screams at me to avoid. If you do have experience. Does the Joystick itself have Rudder input, or will I be FORCED to buy the pedals? [Yes rudder is that important to me...] Hi, My experience is excellent. I bought them in 2009 and they have been working very well all this time. The best point is the very powerful programming software. You can program lists, short/long keypresses, several shift states, create new axes or buttons, etc. In the stick I miss some additional button (a paddle button) or a two stage trigger, but you can always assign a shift button to the trigger and you'll have 2 buttons in fact. It includes a wheel in the joystick base as a third axis. No spiking detected in my case. Regards.
Gary M Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I've owned all the big names over the years (CH, TM, Suncom, Saitek, etc) and the only devices I've ever had a problem with are the TMs that I've owned. Every CH stick, rudder, throttle, and yoke I've ever had has been solid as a rock and lasted years. I wish I could say the same about my TM Cougar HOTAS and my TM pedals. Absolute shite. Cheers! Gary
aaron886 Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 CH products don't have the best movement, but they're built tough and designed well. I'm replacing the pots in my 6 year old CH throttle and pedals today, still going strong.
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 David, those spikes you talked about... Are those RANDOM? My current joystick will randomly put input onto the right rudder. Or are the spikes like, a LITTLE left input gives you a LOT for a second or Just wanna nail my bases down here lol well, for example, when i gave a little rudder input, and hold the position, i could see the pedals "jumping" left and right a little bit in the virtual cockpit... even when i was not touching the pedals at all, and flew for example with the P51, i could still see this jumping pedals, the sideslip indicator, was jumping to the sides as well, and even when looking outside the cockpit, you could see the yaw to the sides, comparing the cockpit position to the terrain... the same was true for the throttle and the stick...putting the throttle to a certain position, and left it there, and watching the virutal throttle, it moved a tiny bit for- and backwards all the time...sometimes, those movements werent even "tiny" anymore, as the throttle was the worst of my devices... the stick was the device with the smallest spiking problem, but still it was noticeable. except for those spikes, ch products are good!they are, as all others here confirmed, very reliable, and sturdy.good software, good support from community and company.
DonLduk Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 old style (mechanical) pots sme design from 20 years ago skip.
PureEvil Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 old style (mechanical) pots sme design from 20 years ago which is working great. but if you want you can install hall sensors there :smilewink: STEAM asus p8z68-v gen3, 2600k@4,5ghz(w/c), 16gb, 1080ti(w/c), ch fighterstick/gvl224-4000-8, ch pro throttle, Oculus Rift CV1+Touch, thrustmaster tx
Mr_Burns Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I always though hall sensors were for burglar alarms
Bushmanni Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 My flight sticks have been from CH Products since 1997. The only problems I have had are the pots that gradually wear out and need to be replaced. DCS is nasty in particular as playing it tends to eat the center point of the pot pretty quickly (in few years) due to constant small movements and then you lose precision in the center. The ministick in Pro Throttle has good accuracy (especially good for Shkval) even though it has some centering problems. The reliability of switches and electronics and ease of programming is excellent and in general it gets the job done adequately so I have been hesitant to get new HOTAS but opted to maintain the CH instead. Warthog seems to have bad ministick which is important feature for me and all other HOTAS have overall worse quality than CH. DCS Finland: Suomalainen DCS yhteisö -- Finnish DCS community -------------------------------------------------- SF Squadron
Dudikoff Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) Having actually seen them live recently, I was even more shocked than I anticipated so please forgive the following strongly worded comments. IMHO, the design looks like something from the late 80s, the plastic feels that way, too. The movement feels way too light, especially the sliding throttle which is so toy-like. I felt that my G940 gives me a cheaply-made feeling (compared to e.g. similarly priced Warthog or X65), but CH is in a different league altogether. It's hard for me to comprehend how these dinosaurs still sell so CH doesn't feel the need to update them. Honestly, if I had to choose between having the CH set for 15 years or buying some decent looking, but less reliable set every three years, I'd go for the latter (even though even my Saitek HOTAS sets are still fully functional, but I'm not a heavy user). Edited January 30, 2014 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
PureEvil Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 :music_whistling: too bad it's a modified Suncom with CH electronics and not a pure CH :) btw, those suncom throttles and sticks cost on ebay a fortune. STEAM asus p8z68-v gen3, 2600k@4,5ghz(w/c), 16gb, 1080ti(w/c), ch fighterstick/gvl224-4000-8, ch pro throttle, Oculus Rift CV1+Touch, thrustmaster tx
531-Ghost Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 too bad it's a modified Suncom with CH electronics and not a pure CH :) btw, those suncom throttles and sticks cost on ebay a fortune. Oh, it's all CH under the hood... :joystick:
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