Nahen

I know that today people have a problem with understanding the written word ... I will try again easier - who is the driver? someone who can drive a car has a driving license and takes his children to school every day and commutes to work himself? Anyone who drives a truck and earns money this way? - who is a doctor? someone who treats colds, flu, joint pain? Anyone who performs complex organ transplants? and finally - who is the pilot? someone who has undergone theoretical and practical training in the field of flying an airplane and has obtained a pilot's license and can fly with certain types of aircraft in accordance with the regulations? Anyone who has such an emblem on their uniform ?? If you think that WSO is someone who does not have RIGHTS / PAPERS of the pilot, congratulations on your creativity. WSO is a PILOT trained to fly specific types of machines. Whether he further specialized in the pilot training of a particular type of aircraft is irrelevant in this discussion. Nobody in their right mind will not allow, in a cabin with a set that allows you to pilot an airplane worth 130 million dollars, a man who does not have at least basic aviation training in the field of PILOTING an airplane - a PILOT. Is it so hard? The F-14 RIO is not a pilot. It doesn't even have to fly a kite - why? Because there is nothing. He is only a navigator-operator of systems and radar. To bring the plane to the airport (I will not even mention the aircraft carrier), he would have to throw the pilot out of the front cockpit and change train there. So he doesn't need ANY PILOT training. Is that clear enough now?

And one more thing - dont try comparing RIO from F-14 to WSO in F-15 - its totally ignorance...

Here is a fragment of the discussion, and more precisely the statement of a man who rather knows what he is saying. What is the result of it? Well, WSO undergoes basic pilot training - that is, he are pilots: Can't speak for the navy and NFO's specifically nowadays but the broad strokes are similar from talking to NFO's. Air force wise you go thru back in the day Undergraduate Navigator Training (UNT) or as its called today Undergraduate Combat Systems Officer Training (UCT). All happens today at NAS Pensacola in T-6's, T-1's and a terrible simulator in a closet called the T-25 where you learn to do panel nav stuff. Its been this way since 2011 ish or so. Prior to that it was more complicated with different tracks and places you would go. You do get flight training, as in you fly, you will go through most if not all the academics the pilots will regarding how the plane works, rules/regs, flight techniques etc. You also go through Initial Flight Screening (IFS) prior to UCT which will involve 20 or so hours in DA-20's out at Pueblo Colorado. Again, you are learning to fly, there is a requirement for stick time and landing/taking the plane off at IFS. You don't do those things at UCT, but you are familiar. At UCT you go thru a course of basic airmanship and navigation in the T-6, entirely in the backseat. Again, its recommended as long as it doesnt detract from the training that you fly as much as you desire/the pilot will let you. I personally got quite a bit of stick time in the T-6. After that you go to academics relating to radar navigation, Electronic warfare, and bombardier type stuff. Which you then do in the closet trainer the T-25. Once you finish that you then go back to the flightline and do about another 20 flights in the T-1, they have a backseat "virtual training station" setup, so that they can simulate a bomber or radar nav scope in the back, and you'll do various low level flights with one student in the front seat as copilot doing visual nav, and the other in the back doing "radar nav/bombing." You usually do not get any stick time in the T-1 but I have flown it around with the autopilot knobs plenty on our air nav routes. Towards the end of the T-1 phase your class will have its drop. In this everybody is racked and stacked for performance throughout all of UCT, you put in a dreamsheet of the available platforms, and then you have your drop night just like in pilot training. Generally 2-3 students every class drop F-15E WSO, and they are usually in the top 3rd of the class. IE if you are number 1 in the class and you for whatever reason don't wanna go to fighters, they arent gonna force it on you, they are gonna try and hook you up with your first choice if its available. Once you finish UCT if you dropped fighters you then go to Introduction to Fighter Fundamentals (IFF) at either Randolph AFB or Columbus AFB. There you fly the T-38 in the backseat through BFM, Surface attack, CAS, etc... paired with a class of pilots who are going through at the same time. I was lucky and had a class almost entirely of pilots going to the F-15E so we got along pretty well. Similar rules apply here as to the T-6, you fly as much as you can not to detract from the mission or be unsafe. No you are not going to be landing the T-38, its a rather dangerous aircraft, but you do get stick time out in the MOA. This is also your intro to fast jets and fighters and formation flying, so trust me you are so overwhelmed when you get there that you do not have the brain bites if they let you fly BFM to be able to do anything remotely competent. You are held to the same academic standards as the pilots, and will brief/debrief the flights the same as they will. This will take roughly 2-3 months and you get 20-30 flights in the T-38 by the time its over. After this you go to Seymour-Johnson AFB in North Carolina and are in either the 333rd Lancers or the 334th Eagles for the Strike Eagle B-course. This will take 8-9 months to complete and you are learning to be a professional WSO. Again as far as flying goes, no you are not trained to land it from the backseat, there arent many instructor pilots who get trained to land from the backseat. But it is highly recommended and desirable for WSO's to get as much stick time as they can, again without detracting from the mission. So you arent going to be flying it in BFM, or probly while flying with a student pilot, thats valuable stick time that they need cause they are learning too. But with an instructor pilot to and from the airfield, or if you have time and gas in the airspace, and are on top of your other duties as a WSO, sure. After this you go to one of the Operational squadrons. From my own personal experience and the stick time I had, I was confident I could safely get the plane down on the ground, if the pilot was incapacitated, most WSO's were probly confident of this as well. It all depends very much on the emergency procedure occuring tho that would lead to that. IE there arent many things that might happen that leads to aircrew being incapacitated that doesnt require ejection rather quickly afterwards. The only real thing that you can concievably think through on this is like illness in the cockpit, or severe Spatial Disorientation that becomes incapacitating. The response to that would be the WSO takes control, flies the plane straight and level until the pilot recovers/gets his gyros straight again, and then he will land the plane. Not the kinda thing that happens often. WSO's have to be confident in their ability and right to fly the plane if needed, cause if you arent and just trust the pilot that leads to WSO's not recovering the jet from dangerous situations. Pilots likewise generally trust their WSO's to not be idiots and grab the jet unnecessarily, but are there to watch their back. Try not to think of it like a typical multiplayer server where you dont want some asshole hopping in your backseat and fucking with you. We are trained from the start to be a cooperative team and we build trust and have standard ways of operating. Its not a "Goddamn idiot pilots", and "stupid baggage in the backseat" relationship at all (altho jokingly it might be). Everybody is there doing their job to help each other out and participating in whats going on because you have all trained together and know exactly what is going on at any particular moment. Also remember you have your job and duties to do the entire time, RIO's/WSO's are not just sitting back there riding along until its time to work the radar or drop a bomb, they are actively involved with everything from navigation to radios and comms, to just generally flying around. Even if they are not the ones talking or hands on the stick. Something as simple as telling the pilot "1,000 feet to go" for the altitude ATC cleared you to, or as soon as we get a new navigation fix, rolling the heading bug over, or punching the radio freq in, eyeballs out looking for traffic etc. Everybody in the jet is 100% involved (or should be) in whats going on the entire time

A simple question and a simple answer please. Who is the pilot?

LooL... This is the usual AI model that has been in DCS for many years ...

First show me the aircraft guidance kit on the RIO site in the F-14A / B? Secondly ... I don't even know how to write it ... WSO in the F-15 sits and has some pedals in front of him and some stick and he can't use it ...: D He's not a pilot ... Sure the second set is "spare" - if the front one breaks down, the pilot and WSO change places: D Maybe ask one of the WSO if he was not trained as a pilot?

And again and again and again ... Please understand the "E" version of this plane is not operated without CFT. Strengthening the structure - increased weight, more powerful engines, more weapons - all this requires more fuel. After removing the CFT, you lose half of the suspension points and half of the operating range - what's the point? Rather than moaning about making the non- removable CFTs maybe you'd better moan about making the full model "C" version?

In F-15E WSO - is a pilot. Its all in compare to F-14 RIO...

Isn't it easier to find a flying buddy? And realism is greater, and it is easier to get along ...

NOBODY? - its my proposal.

I know people who "fly" on the keyboard itself ... So why overpay?

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Only these other modules are in no way similar to the F-15E. Maybe give me an example of the similarities between the F-15E and the F-14, AH-64, Mi-24, CC-101 ?? Understand in a real F-15, the pilot himself can attack the target on the ground. It doesn't need to change anywhere or bind anything. It can't use all kinds of weapons, but that's what this plane works for. Do you want to convince me that if you need to bind RIO functions with the F-14, it should be the same in the F-15 ?? Funny. Once again, everything that is the basis for operating the A-G armament, A-G armament "handling" systems is available from the pilot's seat. If you want to use advanced weapons - especially guided post-drop - you need WSO. If you use weapons in "fire and forget" modes, or drop conventional bombs, you don't need anything from the WSO seat. Maverick thermally or laser guided, does not need WSO, if you want to guide it "manually" in TV mode you need WSO. This is how it works, in a nutshell. And it better be like that, instead of wasting time and risking problems with some limited AI. And since this is the case i real, I don't understand why DCS should change it?

It all depends on how you treat "productions" like DCS ... For me, they are simulators, not games. So if I want to "pretend to be flying a real plane" - I do it with devices that reflect the real ones as closely as possible. Using game pads, in my subjective opinion, is a typical arcade approach to DCS as a regular game." Of course, everyone has the right to play as they want;)

From the pilot's seat, you will be able to handle the entire part of the avionics responsible for servicing the A-G armament. The difference between what is in the WSO site and what is not available at the pilot's site are the elements responsible for, dedicated to some types of bombs / missiles, programming the parameters of their drop, fuses, "detonators" profiles, etc. These are the "details" that the pilot does not must know and operate - this is what WSO and its training are for. The pilot can, for example, fire the AGM-65, but it does not have to affect the selection of the missile's flight profile. The pilot is to guide the machine, fight in the air and use the A-G weapon in an emergency. For example, the pilot is not able to handle "manually" TV guided missiles. But it is able to fire them. It is not able to use all TGP modes. But as such, the avionics of the machine is duplicated in both places. Work on artificial intelligence "for the back seat" is an unnecessary waste of time and energy. In the case of the F-15E, it is completely unnecessary.

And are you able to provide RAZBAM with a F-15E which they could fly for the last 5 years, attacking air targets, ground targets, approaching take-off and landing in various conditions, maneuvering it within its limits? If so, I'm sure you'll get what you want. If you haven't delivered it to the RAZBAM team in the last 5 years, don't ask stupid questions ... I wonder what must happen to this world for people to start using their minds ... at least 5% ...

Is it serious ??

One Big Mac please

Somehow it does not bother me. Everything you need for air combat is in the F-15C. It does not need any datalink, etc. The radar and RWR in the F-15C do everything - one condition is that you must be able to use it. And if there is AWACS, it is full of happiness.

Yea ... i think ED start work on it near 2030 ...

I hear such opinions ... but the truth is that as long as the rocket fired in the "TWS" mode does not turn into a PITBULL nothing is known about it. Another thing is how who is flying the F-15C. If I know what opponent - the plane - I fight, I often react "to feeling" before the opponent's rocket enters the pitbull, and sometimes I go "in defense", not knowing that the opponent did not even shoot I think that hardly anyone flies around 2Mach during the fight and that changes everything both in attack and defense. The F-15C is just a BVR fighter. As such it was created - the fact that it does quite well in maneuvering duels is another matter. I always try to keep a minimum distance of 15-20 miles from the enemy

This is my LOVE:

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The F-15E Strike Eagle ... Has completely duplicate weapon handling systems for the front and rear seats. The WSO is to handle the A-G weapons due to the large variety of these weapons carried by the machine. The pilot has his own tasks and WSO exempts him from the obligation to know the specifications of each bomb, rocket, etc., and thus how to use them best. But each type of weapon can be launched / released by the pilot himself without the help of WSO. Sam can handle TGP. Since the F-16C, F / A-18C can easily perform their A-G tasks only with the "front seat" - what's the point of pushing some AI to the F-15E? Either you handle it yourself or you will fly in two. And I'd rather have them fine-tune things this way instead of wasting time and work on some retarded AI in the back seat. And one more thing - WSO can also independently drive the machine without a pilot;) But probably everyone knows that ... and this what I wrote above ...

Currently, in progress the cockpit for the Su-27/33 or MiG-29. F-15 is underway, but not finished. How will it be finished I will try;) It's like asking if I want a finished module "E" or only with basic functions? I am waiting so much that I want it completely ready or at least 90% ready.