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Hi here is a vid of an A-10 demo at Edwards AFB. At the 3:35 mark the pilot has just finished a cuban 8 and is performing a split S. As he is inverted the aircraft is venting something. I suspect fuel... There are no smoke cannisters on the a/c. Anyone know? I've never seen this before. If fuel flows are selected to override inverted would you get venting?

I don't want a scratched canopy. I would take the photon torpedoes and also like to see a Romulan cloaking device in the next patch. :P

No. They are a extremely precise guide which if followed carefully will ensure you intercept and maintain the a/c on the exactly correct loc and gs position as displayed on the HSI and ADI. They make your job as a pilot much easier. :thumbup:

and 500 km of no turning tanker! ;)

The steering bars get their info from the flight director. Check out the 10A-1 manual. Page 1-87. The steering bars are not repeaters of the ILS loc and slope, they are supposed to provide bank and pitch steering commands as described in the 10A-1 manual. The yellow bars in sim now are broke. Stow'em, fly raw data ILS and it's all good.

Originally Posted by BBQ Essentially, what would be the difference between the so called "command bars" and the "signal repeater bars"? They both tell you which direction to turn/pitch, until the bars are centered. Hi, the difference is one tells you where the localizer and slope is in relation to the aircraft, and the other provides commands to obtain and hold a desired path. Here is a quote from an old Air Force Instrument Flying Manual I dug out. "The pitch and bank steering bars display command steering information to fly or maintain a desired flightpath. The attitude of the aircraft must be adjusted as necessary to center the bars. To center the bank steerng bar, the aircraft must be banked toward the bar. Keeping the bar centered will provide the amount of bank necessary to roll in, turn, roll out, and maintain a selected heading or ILS course. To center the pitch steering bar, a pitch attitude change toward the bar is required. Keeping the bar centered will result in the proper pitch attitude necessary to fly to, or maintain the desired flightpath. When the bars are centered, the aircraft is either correcting to or is on the desired flightpath."

It's all explained in this thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=70045 Cheers

The tutorial is useful. I did several ILS to minimums today irl. I'm not confused. The bars are still broken in .8. See the thread above.

Nice vid. Lots of good info. However there is a problem with it in that you are using the yellow steering bars... these are not working properly and should not be used for ILS. They should be stowed. The steering bars/command bar/flight director bars are not currently steering/commanding or directing, they are repeating the gs/loc. If they were working correctly the pilot simply centers the steering bars, manouvering to keep them centered, and it's easy as pie to fly a very accurate ILS right down the loc and slope. See this thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=70045

This is a quote from a new A-10 pilot: Lieutenant Griffin told me that when he was under the boom it was really exciting and that, when he finally connected, it was easier than he thought it would be; once the boom connects, it kind of holds on to the A-10 a little bit. http://www.dm.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123204302

That is what I was thinking... There is also talk in the KC135 refueling manual of brute force disconnects. However the ease at which the disconnects occur in sim would lead me to suspect that perhaps the locking toggles are u/s and in need of some virtual tlc.

Yesterday I was using a refueling orbit with huge outbound leg... He was a never near the end of the AR track when I was finished with refueling. On the outbound leg though he never banked his wings. If all this sim did was AAR practice it would be worth every penny. Fascinating stuff. Closest I've been to AR I rl was to have tanker and pair of 117's fly over us a few thousand above. Also have seen 747 taking fuel from 135 as they flew over our a/c. The last one looked strange from a distance as the receiver was bigger than the tanker.

15,000 as base alt. Thanks for that. I'll lower my mission refueling track alt to 15000 from fl200. Might make it a bit easier... Paulrkii do you have any thoughts/opinions on how easy it is currently in sim for the boom to disconnect once you are connected? It sounds like there is a mechanical connection that occurs. In the sim it is very easy to lose the connection, for all I know this is accurate... or should the connection be made a bit tighter in sim? d) When this is achieved, the boom operator flies the boom to the receiver aircraft's receptacle and extends the boom to make contact. Locking toggles in the receptacle operate to hold the boom nozzle in contact. Cheers

That sounds like a ME issue? I did a bunch of AAR practice yesterday with patch .8 and the tanker was rock solid not turning at all once established on the refueling track. Was he trying to avoid a mountain? ;)

Reading the GUI manual it is my understanding (as you say) that only gs can be set. This presents a potential problem with the tanker in that if the wind component acting on the tanker changes, the AI tanker pilot will adjust his ias to maintain the gs as specified in the mission editor. It would be nice if you could choose in the ME to set the AI speed as ias or gs at mission designers choice. For the AAR ops with the KC135 an A-10 it is my understanding that normal refueling speed is 220 ias. I found it easier at 180 ias than 220, however I think irl the issue has more to do with the tankers min speed, and maybe I just need to practice more at 220. I am also wondering what normal refueling alt would be for A-10's? I honestly have not seen the tanker speed reduce while connected, however my attention was fixated on doing what it took to maintain my position in relation to the tanker. When I get a chance tomorrow I'll look at it. My irl keeps interfering with my sim flying. ;)

When creating the mission the tanker AI speed is set by the mission designer as a specific gs, not IAS. I wonder if that has something to do with it... I think you are only able to specify gs.

I just downloaded the mission and ran it. I find no difference between patch .7 and .8... It runs the same as when I put the mission together. Please confirm that you are selecting: 1) Tacan channel to 10X 2) Tacan mode switch to AA/TR mode 3) Nav mode to Tacan With the above you should get range and bearing info on the HSI to the tanker. FYI When I select 10Y I get bearing but no range. 10X = bearing and range to the tanker as in the mission editor and the briefing. Re the speed. The tanker is maintaining speed. If you look in the F10 view you see him doing 250. Now when you join formation with him you notice you are doing 180. He did not slow down, you are both going the same speed... The F10 view is showing his groundspeed, your HUD is showing you indicated speed. If while flying in formation with the tanker you switch your HUD to GS mode you will see you are doing 250 gs as is he. You are both doing 180 IAS and 250 gs. :)

That is strange... That is my mission and I am quite sure it is channel 10X in the editor and 10X in the aircraft... That is how it worked in .7 although I have not tried it in .8. Will give it a look tomorrow. No access today to pc. It should be x or y not x=y...

I'm using the TMWH with extension, and have it center mounted. I am able to rest my stick forearm on my leg. It's allowing much more precision for me this way.

Well in North America (in the civilian world), you ALWAYS set your altimeter to read the airport elevation. You DO NOT set it so that it zeros at the field. In IMC you descend to the MDA or DA which is at field elevation plus the limits. Unless you are on a Cat II when DA is based off of radar altimeter which WILL zero at ground. I understand that this is not universal...

Hey, I've seen a few times where ATC gives me a runway which is not really ideal based on the surface winds. I'm seeing the tower give me downwind runways etc. Looking at the winds on the CDU I've had to ignore the tower instructions and land on a runway more into wind. Question: Does the AI ATC take winds into consideration when issuing the runway in use? :pilotfly:

Some tips that have helped me. -Trim it for speed before moving to contact. -Ignore the HUD info once you are close to the tanker. -Fly formation on the tanker not the boom. ie look through the boom. -For extreme precision flying I rest my forearm on my leg while applying slight pressure as required to the joystick. -Once connected (while still flying formation on the tanker) make adjustments as required to keep the boom in the green arc. -breathe. -relax death grip on stick.

Agree. I was able to get full fuel with no damage however wingman was not so lucky. Check this post out link below. Pics towards the bottom show damage to wingmans canopy from the refueling. AI Wingman did not turn on his slipway lights, (RCVR Light) making it more difficult for AI boom operator to do his job. He may have been smacking boom off wingys canopy in some twisted form of AI protest... :smilewink: Pics here: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3311247.html#Post3311247

Thanks for the info gents!

Is this something that changed from the A to the C version? The 1A-10A-1 has you selecting the AC gens to PWR before eng start... (oh I see your post above Olgerd) Also is it normal not to have power to the radios until the APU is started? (I've got no squelch until APU is running) Thanks