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He has some issues with the calibration:

Both bases are the same with regard to VKB support. They have a Thrustmaster connector and require the VPForce VKB adapter to work with a VKB grip. Then a cable comes out of the adapter that goes directly to the black box, which in turn plugs into a separate USB port. And just like Max, I'm wonder why you can't simply convert the grip back to a Thrustmaster connector? Then you no longer need adapters and you should be able to just undo the conversion if you kept the original parts.

@MAXsenna The VKB adapter doesn't go through the base, but directly to the BlackBox, so it will work with no support required on the part of Moza. Both Moza and the Rhino use the Thrustmaster connector, so the VPForce VKB adapter will work on both.

15th gen is not going to happen, since Intel changed their naming scheme. It's going to be the Core 200 series. They are rumored to come in a month. The new X3D-CPUs are rumored to come at CES, so January 7th or so. The current state of the market is that the 7800X3D seems to be in short supply and the prices are now very inflated in some places and slightly inflated in others. Everyone is jumping on them since the new series was so disappointing. I would personally suggest waiting until CES both to let the market settle down again, and so we know where we stand with the Core 200 and new X3D-CPUs. But it's not a bad idea to quickly get a 7800X3D if you are somewhere where the prices and availability is still decent, as it is unlikely that the new Intel and AMD CPUs will be a good deal in the short term, so it can easily take until mid-2025 for the new X3D-CPUs to become a good deal. Of course, given how limited the gain is probably going to be, as @gonvise noted, it may also be smarter to spend that money on a video card or just wait a bit longer before upgrading. @ebabil What GPU do you have?

VKB grips work with the VPForce adapter: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSflUrHfM9AB0f-0WGyhOLxvXQNMr7E8TBDSYYJUBQ8kqaDC7g/viewform And you can use any extension that works for Thrustmaster, with the caveat that you already have a pretty big extension built in. I've seen people use smaller/custom extensions.

Virpil grips do work, but apparently not (yet?) with full functionality. VKB can also be used with the adapter from VPForce.

No, untrained test subjects have been subjected to 20g for less than 10 seconds and 10g for up to a minute with no observed long or short term harm. Of course, there have been no scientific tests to death, but Stapp survived a 46 g peak test run.

Moza also sells the Z-Axis module, which functions as an extension as well: https://mozaracing.com/product/moza-z-axis-module I would personally suggest going for FFB, but also to wait at least a few months to see what the market is like then, and how people are getting on with the Moza. And you need to keep in mind that the Moza is harder to mount.

The Moza is quite big too, hard to tell how this one compares.

I hope that you guys won't feel bad now that Winwing has announced their price and force (see the Cyber Taurus topic).

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Not necessarily, shipping can also differ by region, depending on when the ships deliver product to the regional warehouses. I wouldn't say so for now, as long as the discussion is mostly limited to one topic. But later on it is probably a good idea. Certainly once they have a bigger portfolio of flight gear.

Yeah, the 7800X3D is a poor CPU if you run important software that does a lot of work in 1 big batch. But as I've explained above, games are almost never like this, because they have a very limited time to draw a frame, and then start over doing the calculations for the next frame. So it's a lot of short jobs. The X3D-CPUs work very well for those. If you don't game, and run the big batch (often called 'productivity' software), then the 7950X and 14900 are indeed the fastest. And if you do both, then the 7950X3D is a very good compromise, that sacrifices a little in both, but is still very good at both. And the 14900 also works fairly well for those use cases, if we ignore the degradation and the power usage.

The 7900X3D has two 6-core chiplets, so for gaming, it's basically a 7600X3D (if GameBar works correctly or you manually make sure the game runs on the X3D-chiplet.) The 7950X3D has two 8-core chiplets, so for gaming, it's basically a 7800X3D. Given that price difference, getting the 7950X3D is a no brainer.

The only surprising thing about that is that GameBar recognizes DCS correctly by default. 8 cores is sufficient for just about every game, and the inter-chiplet latency has a bigger negative impact than any possible gain from extra cores. And the 3D-cache makes a bigger difference in games than the extra clock speed, which is why games should run on the X3D-chiplet.

Interesting that the base works with MSFS now. I wonder if he was using an FFB plugin for MSFS or whether the Moza software supports MSFS now.

Did someone say an FFB base?

The latest I've heard is that there is partial compatibility, with grip axes being treated as buttons. The Rhino had the same issue until they worked with Virpil to support the features that Virpil added beyond the Trustmaster stuff. I've not seen any info about Moza working on this.

@rapid They might just be really busy, also with the R12 price reduction. Perhaps they kick you to the head of the queue if you complain.

The language errors also suggests that Lionel McDermott is not this person's actual name.

The 3080 is twice as fast as the 2070 if the CPU is not a bottleneck, but the 1700x is a very weak CPU. The Ryzen 5600 is only $115 and would be a major upgrade, allowing the 3080 to shine. But if you had to choose, I would pick the 3080.

The yoke announcement from Virpil suggests that their FFB base is a pretty long way off:

My opinion is that the Rhino is currently the best overall package (taking into account the hardware, software, documentation, support for grips and the community). But there are definite downsides like the price, the manufacturer being just one guy, the materials used and general support by third parties. And the waiting list of course. None of these are necessarily dealbreakers, but it is definitely possible for it to be overtaken by others. If you get the Moza right now, you are essentially gambling that they will put in the effort to make the software good enough. I would personally just wait for them to do this, before committing to a purchase. And if you wait a bit, you may get more information about competitor products, like the Winwing FFB base. But not everyone is patient, of course.

We still got a little bit of useful info, like the lack of weapon effects.