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Indeed something wonky is going on the F16 and pylon drag is at neg value... Might explain why its such a rocket ship This issue also affects the FM of some other aircraft like the Flanker for example with bomb racks reducing drag. Should be something for ED to look at for all AC. Correct modelling of ordinance drag.

Yes, I am well aware of the new vs old api. I guess what I was trying to say is I'm so used to ERs missing badly in so many stupid and easy conditions that if I made a bug report everytime that happens (especially if I would get subsequently splashed as a result [emoji23]) I'd be flooding the forum by now! And yes I get splashed plenty, its part of the MP experience. Let's face it, DCS MP will never be perfect. Learn, adapt and move on. Its just cringy to see bug reports like this when all it really was is a case of salt more than anything. As to PVNK, he's a new cadet in 51st and is still just undergoing his formation training. Yet people are spewing dirt on him because he upset someone in a fight?? Not cool. Some respect would be nice. Play hard but fair guys. My 2c Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

Thanks for setting this thread straight! Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

Where is the bug? that the 120 has an error probability of missing? Also would it not be a good idea to post a specific track and acmi in testing to demonstrate this so called bug? Not a huge acmi file from a crowded server? also posting a track from a loaded MP server is always gonna be prone to errors as tracks are notoriously unreliable. Take a flanker/mirage or whatever and do some barrel rolls vs 120 and see your results? then perhaps post tracks? Try with all missiles and see whether its missile specific or its an MP code specific. etc etc. I am sure I dont have to tell you this but ED isnt gonna chew through that as a valid bug report are they.

Great I hope you get around making those changes soon. Thanks for the clear answers. Looking forward

When will the new API be implemented for the 54? When will ECM affect the ranging data on 54 like it does with all other BVR missiles? Ie. no loft vs ECM When will ECM affect the F14 radar? Like how it affects other aircraft Those are IMHO the 3 main fundamental questions that affect 54s performance. Thanks!

Aim-54ET. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Works as intended. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

New API? What are you on about? The pheonix does snakes every 2 seconds in and out of track loss through the notch. The Phoenix lofts vs ECM like nothing is happening (even though no range data is available). The pheonix desyncs and flies through terrain in MP. The list goes on and on. It is by far the buggiest missile of the lot. And been like this for the longest time. Then there is this: https://forums.eagle.ru/index.php?/topic/273219-AIM-54/Tomcat-bans-and-prohibitions-in-competitive-play-due-to-easily-reproducible-missile-desync#entry4734068 I think maybe you should do the testing! [emoji23] Or is everything a okay by your standards? Lol Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

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Neither of those points have anything to do with countermeasures rejection! We are talking DCS parameters, not RL. The way the game dynamics operate is a dice roll. So with that in mind, the 54 has way too good odds of not rejecting chaff and clutter rn. As good as 120C almost. I call bullshit. Ccm values need to be on par if not worse than Aim7 / 120B. Its tweaked to overperform greatly right now Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

When will the Tomcat (the platform that has the best ECM for defense in DCS) be itself affected by ECM from other aircraft? When will Aim-54s be brought to standards in regards to HOJ shots like other missiles? When will the tomcat radar be affected by ECM just like the other jets? These are all questions fundamental to the BVR combat in MP. About time these things are looked at.

The SD10 is still by far the best performing missile in DCS. With the current patch ECM has now reduced the lofting effect of 120 (rightfully so), which makes the gap to 120C even bigger as the SD10 still can be manually lofted with it using variable PN logic. Jeff vs Viper = dead Viper by quite the margin assuming launch conditions are the same. Throw in the fact that viper doesnt have ECM.... the performance gap is quite huge. Not sure whether that is legit, but the Chinese must have made an uber missile in one try

The infamous roll miss in DCS MP can be attributed to the desync warp that happens when an aircraft exceeds a certain roll rate for a sustained amount of time. This is likely the cause of missiles missing due to "roll". To be honest, in the Flankers it is hardly possible to reach that roll rate, hence doing rolls against missiles is a fruitless affair 99% of the time and would result in certain death. It is however sometimes possible to defeat a close range shot that way due to aiming error inherent for every missile. 120 suffers the LEAST of the missiles in this respect. Try that against say an ER or others and they would miss more often. Instead of tweaking the 120 to be a death-ray in all scenarios, rather ED should look into netcode and desync improvements, IMHO.

Perhaps it is a good idea to clarify with ED on what PN params they are using for the 120 HOJ to bring the SD10 to the same standards of modelling.

Its in the new patch from Wednesday. But patchlog only mentions removal of loft dynamic. But PN was also set correctly

Exactly. Detection might be possible yet very difficult, even in perfect conditions. But interception with 100% accuracy from any range/angle is just downright ridiculous! RN just do 2 ship of hornets, 10 amraams each, one guy shooter, the other guy.... Anti-missile defense. GG WP

No you are not understanding. The missile, due to adaptive PN can be lofted manually by a high pitch up angle. Remove variable PN for guiding on ECM target as no range info is available. It should just be fixed PN like the 120.

99% of DCS pilots take mk60 due to its much bigger kinematic potential. So I think that's the main point of conversation. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

Negative. Shots are like 70km away. Manual pitch up. Missile 'lofts' because its using Variable PN. How is this possible without range data? @Deka please have a look at the standard set by 120C from ED with regards to ECM, lofting and PN. Missile should have simple PN on a jamming target. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

+1 on adjustable mirrors! Given that ED cockpit head positions are completely incorrect with a neck about 2m long. The mirrors are totally angled off. There should be a way to at least tweak them in some file or something Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

That is true. However good luck on getting ED to do that. In the meantime, a missile that is probably pretty bad vs chaff and ground clutter is performing at the same level as a modern day 120C. Until ED gets a complete remodeling of missile radar dynamics and chaff all we have is those dice roll coefficients... So why are they so skewed? Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

Once again we are looking at effectiveness modelled in DCS, not speculation. Just hard numbers 3.0 vs 0.3 is a factor of x10. Vs MH its like 40% better. Not too shabby for a 70s missile to have better chaff and ground clutter rejection 10x better vs a same era and 40% vs a newer 80s missile. Currently in DCS Aim54 is almost on par with AIM 120C when it comes to its tracking effectiveness. What gives? Surely if it was that great it would have never been phased out. Yet all pilot accounts state otherwise... Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk I think the topic at hand is terminal guidance and CM rejection. So we need not talk about datalink or midcourse. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

R27 has pure pursuit vs ECM which renders it basically useless. And defies all logic. It needs a normal pn vs ECM. But yes thanks for bringing it up! @chizh Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

Yes exactly. So really what is clear is that HOJ guidance is way too good in DCS. So is the radar interaction vs ECM. We all understand the limitations of DCS ECM mechanics, so lets get all missiles to act to the best possible manner within those constraints. SD10 should not have variable PN vs ECM. Phoenix should probably be just dead weight vs ECM [emoji23] but OK, at least it should also not loft and use variable PN either if 120 doesn't. My argument is very simple and prudent. Less speculation, more consistency. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk

Exceptions don't make for good arguments. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk