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No gunpods. It's just the 23 mm on board cannon. Task is cap .They have gun ammo just like me.No missiles. Ai set to Exellent.Usually the f16's defeat the migs if i let the mission play by itself.The Ai could be better IMHO.

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On 29 september 2015 : He posts on this forum "Stop complaining guys" Rudder improvements to k4.... " What more can we ask for". On 3 October 2015 he posts "Trying DCS1.5 ..." "I still prefer Bos by far " On the bos forum . On 6 October 2015 on this forum : You couldn't make this stuff up.

Aircraft spoting has been improved since 1.5 . It's so rewarding when you spot a contact like this.Make a big difference in how a dogfight is started. 1 2 1 2 This is Jcomm seen from 5000 m.

Really ? You didn't say "What else do we actually have better than DCS World" on the other forum.

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The great majority of shells in the belt were mineshells: " Es wurden hauptsächlich explodierende Minengeschosse verschossen, die beim Einschlag in feindliche Maschinen größere Schäden verursachten." Luftwaffe museum Gatow. "Es wurden hauptsächlich Minengeschosse verschossen" Manfred Griehl: Deutsche Flugzeugbewaffnung bis 1945. Motorbuch Verlag, Stuttgart 2008 It is stated here that each shell was loaded by hand in the belt: It is hard for me to belive that if Hartmann or any other pilot told his mechanic "I want 3 mineschells and a tracer " he would have got a negative answer ? It's like today in formula 1.It's obvious that the pilot's opinion is important when it comes to car, plane setup. Is also obvious that tracer rounds existed. It would be normal for such ammo to be used. Same goes for training ammo.

I'll probably buy this one and the Bo. Next project i wish for Kiowa.

Well i posted the results of a historical test on post 7 this thread ad it clearly shows the 30mm cannon in game does not perform realistic. The test shows that you get a 28 percent chance to kill a p47 with one hit from the front and below.And the test also shows in the vast majority of cases it's mostly structural damage that kills the p47. Can you show me a one shot kill on a p51 from the angle shown in the test ? Because i tried it hundreds of times and it's impossible . Also according to to my poll aprox 60 people voted the 30mm cannon is not working as is should and roughly 20 voted it is working as it should. You got both historical documents and majority telling you that you are wrong . When you shoot the Ai there is sometimes trailing smoke.The liquid that produces the smoke does not seem to be finite.It just goes on and on smoking and smoking. If that is hidraulic liquid it should render the controls unusable.If it's cooler liquid it should cause the engine to overheat.BUt the Ai goes on and on trailing smoke like it's nothing. P51 vs 109 the same thing as above.Damage modeling needs to be improved .

Type K, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss ohne Zerleger (3 cm M-Gesch. o. Zerl.) Mineshell fuzed with a non-delay AZ1587. Pressed and rolled steel body with an steel fuze adapter between body and steel fuze. The driving band is made of copper and on the inside of the shell is an aluminium ring to support the driving band. The shell is colored yellow overall, including fuze, and only has the letter M stamped on it, in black. The shell is filled with 85 gram HA41. Weight of shell: 330 +/- 8 grams. IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/351iveh.jpg[/img] Type L, German name: 3 cm Brenngranate ohne Zerleger (3 cm Brgr. o. Zerl.) Incendiary mineshell fuzed with AZ1587. Pressed and rolled steel body with a steel fuze adapter and an aluminium fuze. The entire shell is filled with a pressed thermite charge, which spews fire like a roman candle after ignition. Thermite burns at a temperature of about 1200 degrees Celsius. The shell is coulored light blue overall, exept for the aluminium fuze. Weight of shell : 330 +/- 8 grams. Type M, German name: 3 cm Brenngranate ohne Zerleger (3 cm Brgr. o. Zerl.) Incendiary mineshell fuzed with AZ1587. Pressed and rolled steel body with a steel fuze adapter and an aluminium fuze. The entire shell is filled with an thermite charge, which spews fire like a roman candle after ignition. Thermite burns at a temperature of about 1200 degrees Celsius. The main difference with shell type L is that the shell has a cast thermite load instead of a pressed charge. It also has a steel cylinder in the bottom that functions like a centrifugal weight to balance the shell. The shell is colored light blue overall, exept for the aluminium fuze. Weight of shell: 330 +/- 8 grams. Type N, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss Leuchtspur mit Zerleger (day tracer) / 3 cm Minengeschoss Glimmspur mit Zerleger (night tracer) (3 cm M-Gesch. L.spur m. Zerl. / 3 cm M-Gesch. .Gl.spur m. Zerl.) Mineshell with tracer, fuzed with ZZ1589 B. After firing the tracer ignites, allowing the pilot to observe the flight path of the shell. Day and night versions were available, the latter to prevent the pilot (who had his eyes adjusted to night) being blinded by the fiercer day tracers. The shell is coloured yellow overall, with a 5 mm wide green band just under the fuze, meaning self destruct. Just above the driving band is a light or dark red 5 mm wide band, the light red meaning (fierce burning) daytracer, dark red meaning (low visibility) night tracer. Explosive charge exists of 73 grams HA41 and 3 grams of nitropenta (pink core under the fuze). Weight of the shell : 330 +/- 8 grams. Type O, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss Leuchtspur Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm M-Gesch. L.spur o. Zerl.) Tar-filled practice mineshell with tracer. Fuzed with an dummy steel fuze. In fact the same shell as type N, but practice type. Also found in day and night tracer type. Colour of shell: gray with a light or dark red 5 mm wide band just above the driving band. Weight of shell: 330 +/- 8 grams Type X, German name: unknown Experimental armour piercing tracer shell, in many ways resembling type E. The outer body is machined to a larger ogive for lower drag. The three notches on the outside of the body make sure the shell stays in line with the barrel. The shell and bottom plug are made of steel, the driving band is made of copper ZZ 1589 B fuse Due to the riffling of the barrel, the shell is given a high rotational speed during firing. This leads to centrifugal forces that push the six balls (7) outwards, forcing them in the collar ring and keeping the firing pin housing (4) which holds the firing pin (5) in upper position. Meanwhile the wrapped safety coil (6) rolls out, thereby opening the way for the firing pin housing to move downward forced by spring (8), however held back by the balls in the groove. At impact the firing pin housing with firing pin is simply hammered down in the duplex detonator (the balls are forced back into the firing pin housing), exploding the shell. If the rotational speed decreases too much (long time of flight, i.e. the shell missed target) the force of the spring will force the balls back into the firing pin housing after which it moves down due to the spring force. This forces the firing pin into the duplex detonator (10), exploding the shell. This description also applies to the ZZ 1589 A fuse. AZ 1587 fuse While at rest, the centrifugal safety pins (5) prevent the firing pin housing (3) holding the firing pin (4) from moving over the hole in the safety plate (9). They are held in this position by the the safety coil (6). During firing, the shell starts to rotate due to the riffling, making the centrifugal safety pins move outwards, overpowering the safety coil, allowing the firing pin housing (3) to move to its central position. Immediately after firing the shell starts to loose speed due to aerodynamic drag. This deceleration makes the ball (7) move forward inside the the adapter body (2). As soon as the ball has reached the top position, it will fall in a recess in the firing pin housing, thereby making the housing heavier on the side of the ball. Centrifugal force will now swing the ball outward , thereby pulling the firing pin housing in its central position, with the firing pin over the hole in the safety plate. At impact the firing pin is hammered into the Duplex detonator, thereby exploding the shell. Duplex detonator The duplex detonator consists of a detonator body (1) with a firing cap (2), filled with lead azide at the top and penthrite at the bottom. It is ignited by the firing pin of the fuze being pushed in. It can be found in shells from 15 up to 88 mm, but it is most commonly used in shells up to 50mm. The VC 70 delayed duplex detonator delays the exploding of the shell for about 10 cm of flight, so the shell explodes after passing the aircraft skin, inside the aircraft. After the firing pin has hit the firing cap (3) the flame travels through a small hole outward into a circular chamber on the outside of the delay element (2). From there the flame travels half round the circular chamber where it follows a hole leading to the lower firing cap (4). The lower firing cap will ignite the penthrite charge, exploding the shell. Sorry for double post but i could't post more than 20 images in one reply.

IN game there is no way to change ammo type .This is unrealistic for a hardcore simulation. IF i'm doing a training mission i want training ammo. If i hunt bombers i want to choose what ammo is more effective vs bombers.Same if i hunt for fighters. Look how many choices were available: Type A, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm M-geschoss. Üb. o. Zerleger) Tar-filled practice mine shell, made of a pressed and rolled steel body with a zinc nose piece to replace the fuze. The driving band is made of red copper and on the inside of the body is an aluminium support ring at the same height as the driving band. Note typical Mineshell round bottom that ensures an maximum explosive charge if used in HE role. Type B, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm M-geschoss. Üb. o. Zerl.) Tar-filled practice mineshell, made of a pressed and rolled steel body with an steel dummy fuze resembling the AZ1504 as found on 20 mm shells. The body of the shell is the same as type A, except for the fact that the upper part of the body is rolled smaller to receive the smaller 20 mm shell fuzes. This shell is probably an experiment, these shells have never been seen with a AZ 1504. Type C, German name: 3 cm Sprenggranate Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm Sprgr. Üb. o. Zerl.) Practice shell. Machined steel body, pressed steel windshield. Note the different driving band design. Note the small additional powder charge in the shellcase, consisting of finer powder than the main charge. Remains of the bag are found in some shellcases. Type D, German name: 3 cm Panzersprenggranate Leuchtspur Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm Pzsprgr. L.spur Üb. o. Zerl.) Practice armour piercing high explosive tracer shell with dummy fuze. Shellbody and dummy fuze are made of steel. The driving band is made of copper. The shell has the same flight characteristics as the live shell but has no explosive content. Weight of the shell is 500 +/- 7 grams. Dummy fuze: 3 cm Bd. Zerleger Erzatzstuck 1592. Type E, German name: 3 cm Hochgeschwindigheit Panzersprenggranate Leuchtspur Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm H-Pzgr. L.spur Üb. o. Zerl.) Practice high speed armour piercing shell with tracer. Shell body and dummy fuze are made of steel, the driving band is made of copper. Weight of the shell is 356 +/- 8 grams. Type F, German name: 3 cm Sprenggranate Übung ohne Zerleger (3 cm Sprgr. Üb. o. Zerl.) Practice high explosive shell, machined steel body and bottom plug, copper driving band. The shell has no explosive contents. Type G, German name: unknown Tar-filled practice mineshell with an unbalance stick for short range. Pressed and rolled steel body with an steel dummy fuze and an steel unbalance stick. The unbalance stick is bent outward on the top causing the shell to fall into unbalance shortly after leaving the barrel and thereby greatly reducing the range of the shell. Weight of shell: appr. 330 +/- 8 grams. Shell probably of experimental design. Type H, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss Übung Ausführung A ohne Zerleger (3 cm M-Gesch. Üb. o. Zerl.) Tar-filled practice mineshell type A. Pressed and rolled steel body with a steel dummy fuze. The driving band is made of red copper and on the inside of the shell is an aluminium ring to support the driving band. The weight of the shell is 330 +/- 8 grams. Type I, German name: 3 cm Minengeschoss 108 Ausführung A mit Zerleger (3 cm M-Gesch. 108 Ausf.A m. Zerl.) Mineshell fuzed with ZZ1589B. Pressed and rolled steel body and an aluminium fuze. Coloured yellow with a 5 mm light green band just under the fuze (meaning self-destruct shell). The shell is filled with 85 grams of HA41 (hexogen aluminium) or 85 grams of penthrite. Weight of shell: 330 +/- 8 grams. Type J, German name: 3 cm Minenbrenngranate 108 mit Zerleger (3 cm M-Brgr. 108 Ausf.A m. Zerl.) Mineshell with an incendiary element, fuzed with ZZ1589B. In fact it is the same shell as type I, except for the lower portion of the explosive charge that has been replaced with an incendiary element. It exists of a steel bushing, filled with electrontermit (thermite), ignited by the exploding shell. Thermite burns at a temperature of about 1200 degrees Celsius. Colour: yellow body with a 5 mm wide green and a 5 mm wide blue band under the fuze, green meaning self-destruct and the blue meaning incendiary. Weight of the shell: 370 +/- 8 grams.

@SiThSpAwN BzUUlO6ihwE What about this video ? At @ 2.30 i can't see brakes being used because it would make the wheels turn slower .I just don't see that. But the tail moves . Thx for taking the time to watch this video. It's a "Canadian" 109 from Ontario :) .

As tested by DavidRed and other talented pilots.The p51 turns better than the 109.Less talented pilots have a different opinion.

Why make more ww2 planes they's all similar because they all have propellers. :thumbup: I see a big difference between G2 and K4. Also i would like to see one day a DCS Tempest.And i also see a big difference between typhoon and tempest.

The mirror was only used on early series 109s like the Emil. According to Günther Rall the mirror vibrated too much and you couldn't see that much with it. My personal opinion is : if i would be an ace back in ww2 of course I could put a mirror on my 109k.

This is a work of art !

:doh: The p51's propeller didn't even stop. :D

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If you shoot a plane with any weapon it's going to go down eventually.This does't have anything to do with historical accuracy. The damage model in game is totally parallel to that from the historical test I posted. There is no way you can get a one shot kill in 27% of cases while shooting from that angle mentioned in the test.And it needs to be a hit that does structure damage , not engine or pilot. In real life most times damage was structural.In game vs humans 95% of the time the engine dies.This is completely wrong according to historical tests. +DCS has horrible framedrops when multiple p51's fire. that has affected my accuracy quite a lot on many occasions .So change this : "you need to shoot better line ".

You speak the truth brother. :thumbup:

I don't know what you mean.I posted the tracks so you can see for yourself. Honestly i'm tired of testing.

otto approves. 8.58 that's something that should be in DCS. I Think there should be an option to choose ammo type for all ww2 planes. Aces could customize their planes for example Adolf Galland chose to have a 109 f with large caliber mg's in place of the 7.62 ones.

otR2CTbPvJ0 A nice kill on 9/27 FlyingLegends server. I did spend a lot of time trying to do a montage.But the crap software that I have didn't "let" me finish it. So I have to keep my clips short.

Lately I've done some flying online with the p51. I've also done a lot of flying with the 109 online. The thing is the 109's engine is very hard to kill with the p51's mg's. And the 51's engine is very easy to kill with the 109 mg's.(No cannon). Is this just me ?

This is the angle from which the shooting was done in the real life test that was performed to establish what damage the german 108 30mm could do on a p47. I tried to replicate the 27% 1 shot kill rate(that the test concluded) in game. Not even one of my 1 shot hits resulted in any serious damage in game even when the wingtip was hit.(TEsh tracks). Than I tried to see that kind of damage the 37mm mig15 gun would do(tracks beginning with mig). I can kill the p51 with the 37mm every time when shooting from above.But from this angle it has a serious problem.And I have a newly repaired no mods no nothing DCS. PS: Solty is right the m2 mg's damage has also problems.The 109 engine seems almost invulnerable to them.Compared to how vulnerable the p51 engine is to german mg fire. TEst-h-9-1.trk TEst-h-8-1.trk TEst-h-7-1.trk TEst-h-6-1.trk TEst-h-5-1.trk TEst-h-4-1.trk TEst-h-3-1.trk TEst-h-2-1.trk TEst-h-1-1.trk Gun-hit-35-vs-51-1-2.trk mig-1-1.trk mig-2-1.trk mig-3-1.trk mig-4-1.trk mig-5-1.trk