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The version i used when i played MP yesterday was 1.2.16.37558.

I recorded the whole tacview track. I pulled modest amount of G before the final scene from the duel i posted earlier (video at 211 post). Also at the moment my wing broke i pulled 6.7 G.It seems too low for the wing to brake IMHO. Lw_zqxeNLto also i only got hit 4 times by p51 mg so there should be almost no damage because of that. In the picture last green marking from the bottom :

Your comentary is not accurate. I was the first 109 you shot down. 1.I had almost a full tank and you probably had way less fuel that's why you outurned me probably.I flew verry little online.I belived i could outurn a p51 easy.But after a few tests(with p51 offline after that) i think that a p51 with little fuel turns just as well as a 109 (That's just me). 2.You only got a few hits on me. 3.I didn't panic .I stalled because i could not mentain the turn. I panicked later then i was in a candlestick climb with a p51 i managed to shoot down eventually. 4."Goes around without any coherent movement" ? q5pzeE_D43E Or the wing broke because is inadequately modeled. Looks coherent to me.It's a spiral :joystick: .

What about the sp track where i pull 10 g witout blacking out at all ? Come on something is not right here . This is the mp track .I'm inexperienced with sharing stuff.Hope it works.The track was too big to be able to post it on the forum. " weakened things from aggressive flying before" I don't know hot many G's i pulled ,there is no g indicator but because i did not black out even a littel bit during the entire mission it's impossible to prevent braking my wings. There should be visible,audio warning if not blackout than metal bending under pressure sound.Because in real life you can feel the G force and in the game you can't , you need some visual, audio indication. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jn5ddx2lf8z3wr3/client-20150315-191028.trk?dl=0 Thanks for taking the time to analyse this stuf SITH.

I don't know if my wing broke at 4g in MP but it did feel like i pulled verry little G q5pzeE_D43E and you can see it's the left wing that broke .The one with no battle damage at all. DavidRed is right there is something wrong,inconsistent with this wing breaking stuff: Sometimes i black out at 7g sometimes i pull 10 g without blacking out. In the track i posted i pulled 10 g without blacking out at all.There is no worning at al im pulling 10 g. wing-1.trk

The problem i see with constrol stiffening is it's also active at low speeds.You can't pull the stick violently all the way at lower speeds to take evasive action when somebody is firing at you.The simulated stick moves slower than my stick on the desk and this should not hapen at low speeds. It's ok the way it's modeled for high speed.

So what you're saying is stop playing DCS .It's not realistic. Maybe they should whait 8 years or so untill a mig 21 theatre with planes from that era is developed and than play it. "If you believe for a moment that you did something great by using a MiG-21 to shoot down a 'modern' fighter, let me divest you of that delusion right now" Of course they achieved something .Even if the mig 21 is more capable than it should they won vs a far more capable fighter in DCS and that's hard to do in my view.

This is true. +I've read about an israeli pilot folowing with his eyes a mig that was 11 km lower (on the deck). -There was the israeli pilot Giora Epstein who could spot a a plane at a distance of 24 miles (44 km). -Sometimes when i'm looking for an enemy fighter below i spot the shadow first. This is not realistic. A real plane would reflect a lot more light that it's shadow,would reflect sunlight, shine etc.

I really liked it.Thanks for posting. :thumbup: You have a steady hand.

I don't know i you read in a previous post about my 5 spitfire mk25 kills with a g14 (from another simulation) .All with energy advantage on me and some of the pilots experienced pilots.Of course this hapens rarely. It all depends on the pilot, i got shot down by spit 9's sometimes because i'm impatient and turn fight them all the time or make a mistake. It's all about the pilot and having fun i don't belive 109 or spitfire is "bestest".I had a lot of fun flying 109 g6 vs spit 9 and the 109 in weaker in every way.

From what i read It was designed for the bmw 003 but it used the jumo 004 (The me 262 engine) untill the 00 3 was ready. Also i found out it used drag rudders to yaw.

The Fw 190 a-3 stalls in BOS at over 400 km/h with combat flaps.Compare that wit the dcs 190. And the BOS fw190 becomes a brick at over 600 km/h . It's behaves like nothing that i read. The BOS FM is way off imho. Even if the ED 109 k become mere stiff in control. It's stiil by far better simulated than in other "simulations". I don't know if the stiffness level we have now is best, i'm no expert. But i have read about pilots pulling to many G's and loosing their wings.Same goes for spitfires. + There are only a few of us that have a joystick as long as a real 109 one . Like this superb replica:

I don't think it's that unstable. Min 13:37 a flying wing model built by Horton brothers lands at low speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDkMIlK67Bw Also one of the prototypes crashed because of engine failure and it is impossible to fly the plane with just one engine. I think it's going to be harder to use than the 262 because of the lack of rudder. You need the rudder for small adjustments when shooting it's harder to fly, shoot without one imho .

Right now my bigest problem is fps drops.But... Right now it's easy on the 109 side. But after the spit 14 arives it's going to be super duper easy on the spitfire side :D . You just turn until you get within 3 meters and shoot. With the 109 you have to deflection shoot and stuff .. I don't care about easy side hard side.I would have wanted a fw190 A, but sice we're talking about difficulty ....

This kind of fight should be avoided .But if you're impatient like me than: This if footage from my first hours of online flight with Dora. Watch after 12:09 . Hven't spent a lot of time on youtube lately so I have not seen other videos with dora scissors action. If i knew some video with better action i would give you the link. Ps: Waiting for edge to get better framerate, netcode ;) . Imho you need excellent performance for this type of fights.

Yo-Yo told us the 109 climb rate is indeed to high .I think he would have posted if the d9's climb rate was also too high. Just my 2 cents.

I feel the same. It would be so much fun to play what if F86 vs me262 scenarios .What if 1945 normandy and so on. Also you can act, pretend as if normandy map is a part of german north coastliene or something like that .

+ The germans had another big disadvantage: stupid incompetent leaders like Goering and Hitler which imposed their idiotic strategy : - me262 as a bomber idea . - Sending fighter planes with bombes attacked to conduct low alt ground attack missions in Normandy .It just so stupid to do that with 10.000 allied fighter with height advantage flying around. A german pilot wrote home "We are here to be used ". It's my understanding that he wanted to say they were used by their leaders in an idiotic war.

@Toxic. 1.Some of us desk pilots don't live in US where you have endless possibilities ... My country offered me 400 dollars a month to become a fighter pilot and that was too low for my ... talents.I'm glad i became a desk pilot it's a lot more fun for me at least. 2.I have t16000 and it feels stable to me.

The high high velocity rapid firing mk 213/30 revolvercannon seems to me the most similar ww2 german cannon compared to the a10's cannon.

I think i'm buying it. Because i want it and i want to support ED. But i'm disappointed it has only 3 activations.

I'm of the same opinion :thumbup: .

After all 3 activations are gone do they replenish like the module ones or 3 is all you get ?

@gavagai Thanks for posting that.I laughed so hard my stomach hurts. ps: I don't like the cockpit. I do like the external skin though.

For me flying a 109 is like playing for the dark side in a star wars game.I could't care less about politics .Modern or ancient . I think for Nascar creating this skin was like creating a dark side character if you know what i mean.