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It's an impressive plane to be sure, but based on the latest video my money is still soundly on the SU-27 in a fair merge. It out climbed the M2000, turned with it, and that HMD is a pretty massive advantage in a turning fight.

Done! Now as for this M2000C.... I'm free on the 15th Razbam, if you want to release it then :smilewink:

I agree, I think the External lighting is far too dim and it does detract from the realism to a degree. I would love to see it improved. Thanks

I think the external lighting effects are still WIP In 1.5 and 2.0, as they are pretty dim. Hopefully ED will work on that. I would be curious to know if the lighting is automatically dynamic in the new engine or if its developer dependent, if the former hopefully the M2000 will have dynamic lighting anyway.

Yea I see people are sweating the optic a bit but I do not think it will be very hard for them to do.

Heck ya! Fingers still crossed....

Agreed on the flanker. It is a real beast in visual range, which it why I have been flying it so much lately online! Although I should think the M2000 may have a ITR advantage I don't think it will be able to capatalize on it. Interesting. The loading for the MiG 21 with that data is stated as "optimal" which I assume would be similar. Where did you find .91 to 1.05? The only couple places I've found have ranged from .79-.88 but I am not saying that is reliable. Is there an English manual floating around for this bird?

It's not like Razbam pulled a bait and switch here, bud. We've known what we were getting from the beginning... And I'm totally stoked for it. I enjoy flying far less capable aircraft than the M2000C, but I've stated from the beginning it will be at an advantage against many other 4th gen fighters.

Awesome. What is the speed/energy management like in this later build?

Last we heard (A couple days ago) they are still shooting for mid-December

That Mirage is one nimble machine!

Thanks a ton for the reply! Understood on the Exocet, keeping my fingers crossed for that Armat!

I would also ask about the Exocet but I think it may be way out :) Although IIRC I thought I heard FSX M2000C made by M2M can mount both the Exocet and Armat? Of course this is DCS which is different, but maybe you guys have the models? I do remember seeing some renders from last year with the Exocet underslung on the M2000C for DCS, but I can't find them. Either way, the missions I could make for the M2000C with either the Armat or Exocet would be endless

To Zeus67: While we are on the topic of suggestions (and please no backlash from the community who may not like this! This is for the dev) I couldn't help but notice another thread discussing the Armat SEAD weapon, and it started a conversation with some of my squad mates about how they thought this weapon was originally planned. Without starting a debate about whether or not the weapon was fielded, has Razbam decided if they will be bringing this weapon to the M2000C modeled in the sim? (Fingers crossed and commencing F5 spam for response!)

Agreed, lets PLEASE not derail this thread, especially with the awesome info coming in. Thanks a ton for taking the time Zeus I am excited to hear the level of ground handling is so challenging. Sounds like it will be tricky to master! I've read the loaded landing speed of the M2000C can be up to 200KIAS, is this the case with a loaded M2000C in the sim?

THANKS! Awesome videos and I am so glad I opened this thread! I/we won't mess this one up, and thanks for the response to my question. You guys have awesome communication and I've already bought two of your M2000s lol The way that ILS works is incredible! Also heard some new cockpit audio which sounded great. I noticed some right rudder on the runway to keep her straight? Is that normal input? Also noticed the synthetic runway was a good bit above the real deal, does this represent minimum decision altitude?

Well I would have to agree, the F-15 flow correctly should be able to down the MiG 21 flown equally in a guns fight, but I think the MiG 21 has enough merits to hang in there a bit at least if flown right. It goes back to my never stating the MiG had any advantage in a guns only or 1 vs 1 fight, the MiG 21 requires the pilot to put it in the most advantageous position possible before tangling with a modern bird, which is what I strive to do regularly in the 104th. Against a SU or MiG 29, however, I find myself totally avoiding a merge unless I completely have the jump, and that is based largely of that nasty HMD that I enjoy so much when flying those planes. But I guess we are digressing a bit, as this thread was intended for the dreaded Mig 21 Vs Mirage 2000 discussion. Although I think the topic has been fully explored, and there isn't too much disagreement that the M2000C will be at an advantage. My initial impression (from watching testing footage) was that the MiG 21 would conserve energy better and perhaps have a better chance in that limited aspect, but CPTSmiley has said the EFM will be brought in better line with the published performance, and based on that, the M2000C will easily out turn the MiG 21 and even the F-15 and SU-27 (Altough the SU can make up for that with ASC off). I am most curious to see the energy loss comparison between the two, as it may be my only strategy in a Fishbed to stave off a hungry M2000C. There was one rather significant point I missed however, and that is the emergency after burner. My understanding is the MiG 21 enjoys a near 1.1 TWW ratio with the EAB engaged (this can be used for 3 minutes, with a 30 second cool down) which places it quite a bit above the .79 of the optimally loaded M2000C, which may be a strategy for the Fishbed to at least get away from the M2000C. EDIT: I've seen two different TWW ratios for the M2000C, one saying .79 and one .88. I've found 0.80 - Mig-21 Bis (T/W - 1.12 in emergency thrust mode) for the Mig 21Bis.

Thanks, we will keep this one on the straight and narrow.

So with 10 posts per page, and 20 pages, perhaps the M2000 has sold at least in the ball part of 200 units??? Not exactly a precise way of determining as much lol.

The other thread was closed, so here is a new discussion thread for those who want to continue. Seems the old thread was closed for off topic chat, so I suppose we ought to keep it strictly on the M2000C here. No comparisons or OT chat. I definitely want a discussion thread open so we can keep up the discourse with the devs. So I noticed the Devs stated they are still tracking for a mid month release. My next question to them would be since the EFM will be in Beta at the time of release, what aspects of the EFM do they feel will need further development? Will it be based on player input and glitches, or further R&D of the flight model (or both)

While the MiG 21 does enjoy the advantage of the SARH missile, it's range is comparable to that of the sidewinder and R-60, so the only major advantage I see is the first shot advantage on the head on pass. I am trying to find info on the ITT and STT of the Viggen to guess what things would look like after that. TWW looks comparable, with the MiG 21 enjoying an advantage in EAB

So having recently discovered this awesome plane has been leaked as coming to us, my first question would be what purpose can the A2A radar serve? Is it for ranging and SA only? Can Seeker heads be slaved to it? Also curious about the purpose for the A2G radar. Can this interact with any weapons or is it for SA purposes only?

Can't now as I am technically working, but I can coordinate via PM for the weekend

Sure, it would be good practice either way. I would bet you will still down me eventually. I am working all night the rest of the week but I have time this weekend if you want to fly some more. As fun as it was to run from 4 different Eagles I would enjoy a more pure experience! Just so long as you know I'm not trying to convince anyone the MiG 21 is the god of all planes (ahem.. TomcatMcdee...) Now, I'm off to the AJS 37 vs MiG 21 discussion... ROFL

No intention to imply you weren't honorable!!! I think you joined later, I was referring to the initial cluster where Tharos rescinded himself. Yes I agree, the Eagle can get on the MiG 21s six faster thanks to a pretty strong TWW and STT advantage (Unless MiG 21 uses emergency AB, which I did not have bound, and couldn't afford to look for the switch!) but my point was I felt confident in my ability to deny the shot in defense of myself. Perhaps I didn't recall the right moment. Towards the end I was getting tired and sloppy so I wouldn't doubt an outright kill either before or after I got sloppy and started trying too hard to get kills. Like I said, the F-15 enjoys a total advantage, but the MiG 21 is not a slouch. I don't know why we fought on top of a Volcano lol. I guess it is where I dropped the units in a hurry!